Lysergic Acid Amides

[Stonehenge]

I've checked cvs, wallmart and a couple others. None have it, just 70% and 91%. Is isoheat sold in an auto supply place? I'm not sure that would be very pure.

[DrStrange]

Sounds like IPA better than everclear if 99% is available as the Everclear is only about 95% I think and pretty expensive.  Though the idea of ticncture storage in the freezer is interesting (ethanol only!)

[Amomynous]

Where does one buy this 99% ipa? I've never seen it any stronger than 91% around here.

If you live in the states, the Safeway chain of grocery stores carries it, but I agree with Avery: high-test everclear is the way to go.

Simple LSA perperation (where permissible by law).

1) Take your starting material and grind in a top-loading coffee grinder. You don't need/want to powder it, but you want to seeds broken up well.

2) Soak the seeds for a day or two in naphtha.

3) Drain and discard the naphtha. Dry the seed mush.

4) Soak the now-dry seed mush in 190 proof ethanol for a day or two. Shake occasionally, and decant when done.

5) Optional: depending upon how much ethanol you used, you may want to evaporate a little, down to, say, 1 or 2ml per HBWR seed.

Important: LSA may be fragile, so you'll want to keep it out of sunlight as you soak and work with it.

Concerning vasoconstriction: it is definately a vasoconstrictor: painful leg cramps and numb extremities may be experienced. Keep in mind that gangrene is a common sympton of ergotism.

[DrStrange]

My friend being a vomit paranoid type (having plenty harsh aya experiences) decided to try a further experiment.  He is going to get some 99% IPA as it is much cheaper than Everclear, and redisolve his tary balls in it oops I meant ball what was I thinking.  Then let it stand for a couple days and c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y decant the clear part, assuming the water soluable only parts will settle.   Then evap that to bone dry and see what's left.  He has over a gram of tar at this point so if he gets even 25% of that he's got enough for several titrated experiments on his housepets.

[Freddie]

how can that be illegal? I guess I'll stop. anyway if you can't enjoy yourself with a simple crush water/soak you start to run the risk of a really unenjoyable time. I would suggest something like vpirate said of a combination with another central american favorite. I would imagine that the otherwoldlyness of the mushrooms is braught more into an earthly focus by the woodrose. a very quietly enlightened mode of consiousness I suspect.

also I think the above tek should mention that LSA is not just light sensitive but also heat sensitive and since it seems to involve some evaporation, one would be cautioned against using anything more than a fan if they wanted to maintain something like the original potency.

[DrStrange]

experiment update:  my friend took his tar ball from the Everclear/vodka extract and triple extracted from that w/ 99% IPA from the local Safeway.  Got brown oil!  Been over 10 days and never dried out!  I tend to trust the info he got from "Delysid" at ayahuasca.com so maybe something about LSA really needs methanol for a good extraction???  The IPA sure was a bust.

[Jacko]

Could always just run a standard old cold water steep and filter extraction with HBWR seeds and some cool spring water and avoid the uncertaintly of lingering toxic alcohols and solvents.

Oh, and there's nothing legal about doing that.  LSA is scheduled, extracting and using could certainly be grounds for a criminal trouble, selling would be beyond stupid and mean as most don't react well with LSA.

[OBODAOUR]

Greetings,
 Once years ago a spirit told me of his method of using hbwr seeds. The spirit would take great care in removing all the hairs on the outside of the seed using sand paper. Then it would grind them up fairly well. Then it would put them in a shot glass with some lemon juice and water letting steep in the refrigerator over night. The next day the spirit would filter the seed mush outta the juice and take it in one shot. The spirit would have extreme visions and euphoria with minimal stomach upset and any that came would be soothed with astral cannabis. Although he would sometimes laugh so hard that his abdominal muscles would ache for days later. Sometimes his legs would feel tight and cramp but overall he enjoyed his experiences. Haven't heard from the spirit in years but I know he's out there somewhere.

Peace
OBODAOUR

[EA-1306]

For the sake of hypothetical conjecture:

I am curious why Morning-glories have been discounted here.
I have read of some very visual and pleasant experiences with them using traditional methods, experiences that cannot be replicated with extracted chemicals.

Sometimes the effects of an entheogen defy its chemical constituents, and cannot be explained by convention, though there must be some explanation.

In reading it seems that around 300 I. violacea seeds can give visual and pleasant experiences when ground to a fine flour and soaked briefly (45min) in cold slightly acidic water. Then the water is ingested, and the solids of the seeds themselves are thrown away. Traditional healers never ingested the seeds themselves, only infusions of the ground material.

From what I have read Ipomoea species should not be discounted unless you are talking about eating the seeds or attempting to isolate the active chemicals and then ingesting them. Then you will get the non-visual and rather undesirable LSA effects reported in the literature for seed and LSA ingestion. Effects that are hardly comparable at all to those of LSD, unlike those elicited by the water method.

Perhaps there is some reaction in the water that modifies the alkaloids involved into some more active form?

[senorsalvia]

Long time Obadaour::::    Welcome home-------- :shock: -------  sal

[visionarybear]

for any preps involving water, only use chlorine free distilled water, chlorine/chloride will destry many actives, esp lsa's.

on the mucosal absorption, alchohol will diffuse across any sell membrane as it is lipid soluble, i am unsure if it will carry the lsa across w/ it tho, but do think it will possibly create a tendency for the lsa to be in molecular form rather than ionic form (i.e in an acidic solution) and thus making absorption across the mucosa possible..

heres a novel idea, drink down an extract/infusion and chase it with a carbonated beverage, the CO2 in the drink will cause your stomach to empty into the intestines, where all the real absobtion takes place, more frequently than without, fatty foods have the opposite effect, causing less frequent emptying..

[EA-1306]

Nice advice with the CO2! A ginger ale or ginger beer might be a good choice there.

I don't think LSA's do what the water preparations do .

[senorsalvia]

I agree that MG seeds seem to have been given the short end of the LSA prep regimen...   Agreed also that many report good effect without the cramp/nausea that woodrose brings many.......   Ah, so many chromosones / so many variables :wink: -------------  sal

[OBODAOUR]

Heya Sal,
Thanks for the warm welcome back! Its great to have a community like this! Hope all is well!

Peace & Blessings
OBODAOUR

[senorsalvia]

--------- :lol:             no problemo----------- sal