Lysergic Acid Amides

[Avery L. Breath]

It's been a while since I've seen a good morning glory/ HB woodrose thread...... makes me wonder if theirs been much interest in these plant allies.

I remember ingesting six HBWR seeds once along time ago.  As I recall I shaved the outside of the seeds with a pocket knife, blended em up and drank em in a glass of water.  It wasn't the most pleasant experience.  Somewhat sedative, with no real stomach problems to speak of.  I just didn't like the way it rendered my ego into sillly puddy.

Anybody else have some comments on this?

[winder]

Only in growing them.
Using them is not much interest to me.
Gastric distress and feeling like a jerk is not what I seek.
But that's just my past, others may have different viewpoints.

I am still debating where to put my HBWR and my Hawaiian Woodrose outdoors this spring.  I can see putting the Morning Glories against my split-rail and wire-mesh fence, but would have to wathc my mowing and trimming so that I don't cut them down.

Maybe the two woodrose varieties can go against the pillars of my patio covering so they can climb.  I have to clear some hedges first though.
And those will be chipped into mulch.  So much to do - fun, fun, fun.
But it will be after being inside due to snow for a few weeks.

[Amomynous]

With a little preparation, HBWR can be a shamanic inebriant of the highest caliber. I've had a few very, very positive experiences (where allowed by law, etc.).

But some people (myself included) seem to be very sensitive to the vasoconstrictive nature of the active components, and no preparation will remove that. As a result, I haven't used them in years, and probably won't in the foreseeable future.

[Avery L. Breath]

What's this Amon?  LSA has vascular constrictive properties?...... I suppose that makes sense.  I've read as I'm sure all the rest of you have of it's uterine contractive properties (symiliar to ergot and supposedly LSD) making LSA and pregnancy a big no no...... and one would assume, if it's a vassopressor, not good for a person with potential heart risks as well.  And then theirs the other toxins in the seeds the cyanogenic glycosides (same as in apple seeds exc.) that supposedly cause all of the other effects.  i.e. vomiting, stomach cramps/pains exc.  And lets not forget the potential pesticides and 'preservatives' that some seed vendors spray on their seeds (to keap the hippy stench off of em?)

Mmmm, sounds tempting to try again!  (joking)

But in the same vein, I recently read through most of the negative experience reports on erowid concerning LSA and most every one of em it was out right said or at least one could easily assume that minimal to no seed prep work was done before ingestion.

Although one does get the impression some people get sick reguardless of how much prep work is done beforehand....... although I don't believe I've ever heard any firsthand stories of such.......

(edit) Oh and I have 8 HBWR in a pot myself Winder.  Their only around two years old and I don't expect em to ever flower in my climate, but is a pretty and hardy vine....... I like it.  It doesn't die like most other plants I've tried growing over the years at least.  Ha!

[Bushpig]

I read a very interesting report on erowid for a sublingual method of consumption ( where legal of course ).  The link is

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=5502


Booosh

[Avery L. Breath]

Yeah, interesting.  Thanks hedge monkey!  Er uhm  Booosh.    First time I've ever heard of that type of administration of LSA's.  Quit novel.

Theirs a thread on the lycaeum that has what I would assume is a pretty good tek, but it's pretty much the same as the erowid ones only the lycaeum thread I'm refferencing talks about leaving the lsa's in a alchohol tincture form instead of drying it out.  Those guys claim theirs a vast differenct between the tincture and the dried extract.  But yeah, mucosal absorbtion......... interesting that that person did not report any nausia...... I don't really see how that excludes the undesireables.  Maybe their too big a molecules to absorb through the mucosa?

........ although his argument is pretty convincing.

[Freddie]

I love it.my cat does it all the time

[Avery L. Breath]

Ummmm, lets see here.

Just a note,

this thread is for academic purposes only.  The ingestion or posession of LSA's is Illegal in most places.  Please do not admit to current illegal activities.  When in doubt, keap your posts timeless and or impersonal.

[VajraPirate]

I think I remeber reading something somewhere once about some strange being that had used a CWE of similar seeds in conjunction with some mushrooms, which seemed to have launched it into a new plane of experience. So much so that it caused the Abort Trip button to be activated. Then it passed out and konked it's head on the way down...

Could've been just a dream. I have a poor memory... can't tell the difference between what I dream and read sometimes.

[DrStrange]

Friend of a friend has a tec he got off internet wherein multiple washes of ground seeds with Naptha supposedly removes the nausea factor.  Then extracting in methanol leads to golden yellow crystals (when evaped) that were very active and pleasant at 75 mg dose.

So my friend's friend did this wash/extraction tec but since he doen't have access to cheap methanol he used Everclear (ethanol w/ a few % water) and then ran out of that and finished a couple of pulls w/ vodka (ethanol + water).  Now he has a slightly sticky tar that is more of a dark reddish goldish brownish color.  Approx 8 gm seeds yielded 1150 mg tar.  Question is, is the difference in his color and texture due to differences in what is extracted by ethanol vs methanol?  If so, anyone hazard a guess if he got more or less goods?  More or less bads?  Supposedly the Naptha removes the yucks?  Anybody got any ideas?  He asked me to post this to the forum as he is computerless and anonymous.  But he thanks you in advance...

[Avery L. Breath]

I seem to recall reading in another forum, that naphta tek.  The theory behind it (not scientifically proven that I know) is that the naphta wash with the blended seeds gets some of the nasties that are soluable in that solvent, but that the ones it doesn't pull out are soluable in water.  So if thats the case, if you used a lower proof vodka to finish your extract, the water that was in it might have grabbed some nasties on the way.

I believe (or rather suspect as I've never tried it) 99% isopropal alchohol  (found in drug stores.) would work great and is cheap, but you'd have to make damn sure it completely evaporates.  Pluss the added pain that LSA's degrade more rapidly once extracted and exposed to air.  i.e. evaporated.

I'b bet your friends best bet would be to (where legal) to in the future use the highest proof (everclear or better) alchohol they can get, preform only two washes, two days apiece, in the fridge, with aproximately only 8 x as much alchohol as there quantity of seed and not dry it out, but keap it in it as a tincture(minus the seeds)......... should last longer.

The tinxcture might even possibly be soluable through the mucosa of the mouth from an erowid report bushpig pointed out in a thread above.

But anywhoo, as to your question,  I would also express caution to anybody in ingesting too much lsa extract.  Something about limbs turning blue or some such.  So tell them to use caution.  I think if they search around erowid they'd find I believe the medium sized dose of LSA is 50mills.  Which when translated means try about half that amount first.

......... but what the hell do I know.

[DrStrange]

I think if they search around erowid they'd find I believe the medium sized dose of LSA is 50mills.

Thank you.  Great info.  Assuming you mean 50 mills of the tinct.?

[Stonehenge]

Where does one buy this 99% ipa? I've never seen it any stronger than 91% around here.

[Avery L. Breath]

My local drug store sells it.  I believe farming related stores do.  (just double checked the bottle I have here and it's 99%)

Also, what is it........ isoheat for your car is 99 percent I believe...... but don't quote me on that one.

[Avery L. Breath]

[quote="DrStrangeThank you.  Great info.  Assuming you mean 50 mills of the tinct.?[/quote]

No, I don't mean that....... I was refferencing erowid, (which you'd want to double check to verify I am not giving out eronious info)  and I believe they were specifically talking about a pure lsa extract, not a homemade tincture jobber.

I wouldn't neccisarily reccomend any specific dossage actually.  Other than none at all due to legallity of the substance.

One must do all the research they can.  And reading all the information on erowid in your specific vault of interest is a good start.