MHRB to DMT easy way

[senorsalvia]

For those scientifically interested:  There is a new extraction report over at DMT World ----  entitled DMT the Easy Way....  report states that smokable DMT is attainable that is white/transluscent , of high purity, and yields are excellent ...  "course senor would never condone such practises where proscrbed by law...  'Tis merely an interesting read   -------- senorsal

[Stonehenge]

I heard dmt world was down but now is back up.

[dendro]

I assume you mean marsofold's tek, a rework of vovin.

[senorsalvia]

Had just read Vovins' tek a day or two before it seemed to dissappear of the face of the earth...  Might be a rewrite, but seems to me that there was no mention of vinegar in Vovin....  Next time I have some money (and in a locale where permissable)  I intend to pursue this one...  Somehow, the tek seems more concise and easy than I remember Vovin being.........  senorsal

[Amomynous]

Looking at the tech, it seems pretty sound from a chemical persepctive.

[dendro]

OK thanks senor, I will read the tek more carefully, thanks.

[Jacko]

Distilled vinegar has been reported in a number of places as a safe and very effective acid for the mhrb extraction (anywhere from 1/3 diluted to full strength), though there are cautions that this extracts the spice in an acetate form that will get a little screwed up if defatting is done.  Seems like some folks report getting away without any defatting when using these dried RBs though.

May the spice be with you.

[Aneurysm]

Can I assume that the same tek for MHRB could be used for say, Desmanthus illinoensis, since both use root bark?

That aside, how chemically sound are the teks?

And how benign would the other chemicals contained in Desmanthus illinoensis be considered:

Substantial amounts of N,N-DMT, MMT, ( J. Ott, 1993). Also contains a diglucoside of kaempferol, rutin, myricitrin, quercitrin and two gallic esters myricitrin. (K. Kindscher, 1992) One of the esters has been shown to have significant insecticidal value

[senorsalvia]

seems like we need ole winder to ring in here and spaek of thing chemical eh???  The one thing I liked about the tek is it eliminated alot of the crap one has to do with defatting....  I have no knowledge concerning Bundleflower (would sure be interested to know) , but am I not correct that Desmanthus has a much lower concentration of reputed elf materiale :wink: -senorsal

[winder]

At Edot I raised my doubts about the table salt + vinegar tek, but was assured by Nate there that this tek is effective.  The doubt I had was based on the thought that someone might think that table salt + vinegar would form HCl to form an HCl salt with an alkaloid.  This to me seem preposterous.  Nate explained that rather the table salt and vinegar work a selective solubilization.  That may be more believable than generation of HCl.  However, I haven't tried it and I am still unconvinced of all of this.

HCl is easy enough to get.  Why not try it?

[Avery L. Breath]

...... just remembering the good ole days when one could get mescaline from sawdust. :shock:

Bzzzzzzt!

[Aneurysm]

Haven't read anything about vinegar and salt, although vinegar is listed as an alternative in QT's tek.  What do you all make of this particular tek?

[Stonehenge]

No way in hell vinegar and salt will form hcl. That would imply that vinegar is a stronger acid than hydrochloric. However, if the tec works, even if the chemical reasoning behind it is incorrect, it would be a good thing to use since both those substances are easy to get. Has anyone tried the vinegar and salt thing? I'm sure it would work on d illinoiensis or similar dmt containing plants if it works on mhrb.

[Floyd]

yeah the vinegar salt thing works. The any-acid and salt thing works as long as the salt your using is more soluable than the substance you want

you acidify to form a soluable salt....then basify to form an insoluable freebase..but its not entire insoluable so some is bound up in solution. That solution can only hold so much, so you add something that solublizes easily (like NaCl) to help force the freebase out of solution.
thats all it is

is"DMT the Easy Way" the exact title of the DMT world post...
or is the one at the top entitled something more or less close close to "DMT the Easy Way" what we're talking about?

[jonah]

could some one post a write up of the easy dmt extraction tek?
i've been studying vovin's, but if there is some kind of improvement on it, i'd love to see it.

-j.