fiend

[senz]

well, i just banned him.

not sure what we should do with him and maybe banning wasnt right but i think this needs discussion.
he might be a nice chap in RL and all but the way he communicates in IRC just pisses off alot of people. or maybe thats just my impression and im beeing the dick here, i dunno - but would people still add their thoughts to this?

best regards,
senz

[kemp]

He adds nothing to the chat except much info about ADD & amphetamine. And don't forget that "alcohol is toxic and bad for you!"
Pissing people off seems to be his agenda and it gets him attention though
he claims to have autism and that his behavior is "not his fault".

I have no problem at all with banning him.
If you are OP'd and feel the need to... then as far as I am concerned,
please do. Most often we remove bans after a day.......

Tolerance should be practiced, however we have lost good folks in
the past because of people like him and I won't sit and wait for that to happen again.

[Cassie]

I think he adds a lot of good info about neurochemical engineering, which is his thing, but I don't like our place getting nasty. Fiend has been around for a very long time and I would like to see him have chances to participate but not at any cost.  It is a balancing act and it is up to the op on duty to make the call. I'd let him back in, on notice.

[Syd]

I'm with Cassie. There are some moments when Fiend is not the nicest but I do not think a perma ban is in order. I doubt anyone will leave just because of one individual. Ignore is a nice feature of irc.

[Stonehenge]

I don't do chat but I agree we don't want people to be nasty. Personal attacks will drive away new members. A temporary ban might be in order. We don't want to permanently ban someone who may be a good contributor and might be persuaded to clean up his act.

[kemp]

Fiend has been around a long time... which is why I don't think he will ever change. Eddy banned him (with the username m0x) many times, years ago.
Now, after removing the ban I set a few days back, Senz felt he needed to be banned again. He has now been banned 3 times (each temporarily) this week alone.

I agree fully that people should be given chances... but when is enough BS enough?

[senz]

and as a sidenote:

there is a point at which tolerance becomes ignorance.

[JRL]

Cass, I don't feel his info is worth the bullshit. And is any of it accurate? How do you know?

I for one don't have time for it, if he's back I'm gone.

[Stonehenge]

If he's that bad then lets get rid of him. And his alter egos if they pop up.

[Bushpig]

I am a sucker for tolerance, but in this case I am not eager to argue he stays, he's been rude to me on a number of occasions.  And theres no contest if its a weigh up between JRL and him.

Boooshpig

[Stonehenge]

If he has already gotten several warnings and been temporarily banned, then he had a chance to clean up his act. Several chances, it sounds like. The name Mox sounds vaguely familiar. I don't know if it's the same person but he has had warnings here before under this name. A brand new name might be kicked out for one offense. A long time member gets more slack but not unlimited slack.

Who wants to join a forum where people get treated rudely? Argue against the other person's opinion or point of view but do not attack them personally.

Just my point of view.

[Syd]

Well, he has changed and is presenting himself much better than he used to. I do remember him as m0x. Now while I'm not arguing for the ban to be removed I think keeping it in place for say a month +- a week is in order, then, removing the ban w/o saying anything. See if anyone even notices. He may just not show up again for a long time like last time he left. Of course I for one would not stand to lose JRL or any other long time regulars. I must say my longevity has saved my tail numerous times. Though, sometimes, enough is enough. As an aside, I bring your attention to his length of time being away already and possibly not counting his month/weeks ban until it is agreed upon. I may be too lenient for some, tho, I'm not one to pass judgment as I also live in a glass house.

[Syd]

There has been a general consensus in the direction I was moving. If there are any issues you would like to discuss please pm me on the board or in chat.

[kemp]

Well, I dunno about a consensus.... but I'm not going to argue the details.
I don't think taking it to PM is in order tho. Best to discuss here I think... that way if he acts up again, it's all in writing. Besides, this thread gives people a chance to discuss this without having to be in chat or whatever.

Seriously, I doubt he will change but, I'm also not arguing for a permanent ban. A permanent ban really wont work anyways as there are ways to get around it... like using a proxy.
If you guys want to give him another chance, that's fine by me. Really tho, this involves everyone in the chat so, lets leave this discussion open and get other opinions if there are any. Speak up if you have any other thoughts!

[Syd]

My consensus came from those in chat.