Jungle DMT

[spacehippie]

I found this at another also thought it was very interesting.Anybody have any experience with this?


                             Jungle DMT
 

 
I once posted this in another place and thought there might be some interest in it here. Before Vovin's Forum went down, a TEK was posted that showed how to extract another, previously unknown, alkaloid from Mimosa Hostilis. The other alkaloid was extracted and formed RED crystals that were insoluble in naptha. Smoking tests of the red crystals showed it to be more powerful than DMT and resulted in a less comfortable trip described as "darker and scary". Although there was a spirited discussion of what it could be, there was no general consensus on what it was, and the best opinion seemed to be that it was some form of beta-carboline. I was emailed this TEK at the time by the author (Critical Switch), and still have it on my hard drive. Critical Switch's original purpose in using a xylene/naptha extraction sequence was to maximize DMT extraction yields. He said that xylene would pull everything out of the Mimosa, then the dried product was washed with naptha to remove the DMT. Claimed an extra 15% DMT yield. However, his xylene/naptha sequence after the naptha wash left a red crystalline residue behind. Always the adventurous soul, he tried smoking the red crystals and got a dark scary trip MUCH stronger than DMT. He called it "Jungle DMT". It was throughly discussed on Vovin's Forum, with no clear consensus of what it could be. Possibly a beta-carboline. Although I have the entire TEK on my hard drive, here are some pix of the parts where he extracted the red crystals. The best thing about it is that in the usual process of extracting DMT from Mimosa, it would normally be thrown away with the fiber. This process extracts BOTH alkaloids. DMT and the "other". The easiest way to do this is to use xylene for the nonpolar extraction and evaporate it with a small fan to a brown powder. Grind up the powder with a mortar and pestle. Then the brown powder is washed on coffee filter paper with naptha. The naptha is retained for freeze-precipitation of the DMT, and what remains on the filter paper is dried out to form bright red hallucinogenic crystals. Stronger than DMT. Comments?

[Dozuki]

For more information check here:

http://www.entheogen.com/forum/showthre ... #post47695

-D.

[RifeHeretic]

Fascinating! I have heard rumors of the legendary Jungle DMT. I will post if I find anything new

[EA-1306]

Beta carbolines often glow under a black light, the red crystals should be examined under an ordinary black light and in a standardized slightly acidic solution. Then an extract containing the red impurity and DMT that has had the impurity removed should be examined in a like manner for the comparison of the resulting visual data.

This topic has been talked about at the Nook as well:
http://www.thenook.org/forum/index.php? ... 39278&st=0
And at bluelight:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.p ... did=177688
and a tie in as far as plant identity at SAB:
http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/i ... entry77163

I think its 2meTHBC, which is also found in some selections of Phalaris paradoxa, but it might be an artifact of the process.

[Avery L. Breath]

Hmmm, thats interesting.  Wasn't aware of that.  I wonder if that explains why some claim that Mimosa huasca brews are said to be much more aggressive/harsh/jagged than those made with viridis.

I wonder also if these whatever they are are active orally by themselves as well....... unlike DMT.

[Dozuki]

ß-Cabolines are not the only compounds that fluoresce. Most ring structures with single-double-single... bonds will fluoresce. Dmt will show a bit of fluorescence. I.E. a glow doesn't necessarily mean ß-Carbs.

The bluelight link is interesting, but not very usefull without without the images. The nook link didn't work for me. And the coraboree link does point to the fact that one cannot be certain as to the identity of the species commercially offered as well as the fact that we cannot forget about seasonal variability.

As to what the compounds in the commercially available MHRB are, what you get depends on the method of extraction. A standard A/B extraction like in the origial post will generate degradation compds due to the alkali conditions. Yurmamine breaks down under alkali conditions as well as when put through a Mass Spec. (Vepsäläinen, Jouko J.; Auriola, Seppo; Tukiainen, Mikko; Ropponen, Nina & Callaway, J.C. (2005). "Isolation and characterization of yuremamine, a new phytoindole". Planta Medica, 71: 1053-1057) This article also alludes to the fact that yuremamine flouresces (apparent from its structure). The degradation products from an A/B extraction could well fluoresce too.

A MeOH extraction using no acids or bases that has most of the tannins removed will show 2 cmps that fluoresce and 4 cmpds that visualize with xanthydrol (2 of which could be tannins). However, it doesn't show the degradation products of an A/B extraction. Preliminary plates of the extraction with the tannins is here: http://www.entheogen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6617 . As soon as I can get the plates photographed under UV light I will post them in the above thread. The degradation product does not show up with this extraction, it IS an artifact of the extraction process. This I believe is the ubiquitous 'Jungle DMT'; I prefer to call it YDP.

As for this YDP and Ayahuasca, the YDP would not be why M. hostilis is often refered to as a beast. Yurmamine is unstable in alkali conditions, and an Aya brew is always acidic. Yuremamine itself would be a good candidate for the responsible cmpd. It is still too early to know if yuremamine is active in and of itself.

-D.

[EA-1306]

Its is all about the colors/spectra of excitation and emission in standardized solutions.


Nice considerations upon the subject! Sorry about the nook link, if you are a member you can look up the topic... I may have bump the nook topic to link to  your above post, I am sure it is good food for thought, pun intended.

[Dozuki]

I read the nook post. I also dug around on Bluelight some more... just came up with the mass spec posted that was discussed over at edot. Its too bad that the images are not there anymore from moecat, I would have liked to have seen them.

The above quoted article found 2 major cmpds: Dmt and yuremamine. They didn't really say anything about trace components. The trace components could be ß-carbs. But, in trace quantities shouldn't really have much of an effect. Looking at that MS, the 130 peak could be a fragmented ß-carb, but I believe that  the 350 peak is a tad too big and the 205 peak is borderline depending on the ß-carb. As to the tetrahydro-ß-carbs... "mol. wt. of 216(M+) [Mass spec] with prominent peaks at 173 and 158" Frahn and O'Keefe "The occurrence of Tetrahydro-ß-caboline Alkaloids in Phalaris tuberosa (Gramineae) Aust. J. Chem. 24:2189.  So I think we can count that one out at least in Radio879's MS.

-D.