OH Boy I Did It Now!

[marsram]

I think I did it now. I have been around the block or so I thought when it came to hallucingens. I went to the orginal Woodstock, taken plenty of acid trips and mescaline. Even had belladonna extract from an asthma medication on a few occasions. So at 54 I thought I would try Salvia.
Nothing prepared me for what I was about to experience. I didn't respect the plant and now I have Hell to pay. (literally I'm afraid) First I had no sitter and tried the 15 X. I ordered the dried leaf but no I had to also order the 15 X cause I thought I could handle it. My wife was at her college classes, it was quiet about 7 in the evening on 12/14/05. I put a very small amount of the 15 X in my bong (one hit) and felt like I was getting off on acid.
Then I guess out of disrespect I was propelled into a world of confusion where it appears my ego was stripped. I wasn't even an "I" and was rolled up along with the rest of the world and put in the back of a wagon. I was stripped of any idenity and my former life as I knew it didn't exist and apparently never did exist. The hell I was in felt like I had been there before my birth on earth. It felt like this was my real home but I couldn't understand why I was alone and why this felt so real to me?
I was hopeful that I would receive some answers to why I was abducted by a UFO in 1975 and other spirtual experiences I have encountered thoughout my life since the age of five. I want to try it again with just the leaf and no extract whatsoever. Will the plant ever respect me or does the vision I saw await me when I leave the physical life someday? In other words did I fuck up?

[dergheist]

Nah, she only shows you what you ask.  Try it again, just start off slower next time.  I am glad that you want to try her again, but then again you have been around the block as you have said.  I think that she was trying to show you the best that she could what you wanted to know.  She comes to each person differently.  Some say she talks in a very faint almost unreachable voice.  Others claim to be surrounded by people in a circle and they flash past.  These are just some examples how she tries to communicate.  I think she was journying you to try and show you your past. Only problem was that you were incapable of receiving the message due to your confusion.  This is just my take on it.  I say try her again and take her slow.  You will learn much more if you are patient and go slow.  Keep us posted.  Oh and I almost forgot to say............Welcome to SPF dude!

[TooStonedToType]

"Will the plant ever respect me or does the vision I saw await me when I leave the physical life someday? "
 I would say yes to both.  You may have just misinterpreted what you saw. It's a bit overwelming.

[Jupe]

Welcome to SPF..thanx for sharing your experience. I would just slow it down a bit, do some reading here and there, check out others experiences.......maybe get some plants..

on a lighter note:

and was rolled up along with the rest of the world and put in the back of a wagon.

...thats pretty cool
      I havn't gone that far yet...........

[marsram]

ty for welcoming me to this forum. I just thought I would be ready for that one hit of 15 X. I believe my surroundings were not right for my journey. I sell CD's on Amazon and thought I could sit in front of my PC and record the event. The problem is I have alot of boxes in my office and no room to move around. I even put mediation music in the CD-ROM. After my 15 minutes of Hell I have a big gash that should have gotten about 4 stiches on my forehead. I trashed about 50 of my CD's by walking and falling on them. I had the light turned off because I heard that increases the journey so I guess I couldn't tell when I was in time and outside of time.
I must admit I am angry because this earth we live on is an illusion. So when Styx wrote the song "The Grand Illusion" they were talking about this earth.  My whole concept of God being there for me went out the window the other night. I believe we have already been taken in through a blackhole. The only thing keeping this earth together is the fact that we as a whole create a collective conscience that binds this illusion together. If the majority of entities weren't in this illusion keeping it together with their mass ego's the glue would fall apart and the joke would be exposed.
I play guitar and my whole concept of religion and my belief system has been altered by my one salvia experience. I always was border line occult but I don't hate Jesus Christ. I was a believer in the lost books of the Bible, books of enoch and various off shoots of the Old and New Testament that would classify me as a heritic to most Christians. Now after this experience with Salvia I have doubts about his supreme rule as taught by his followers.  If Christ were returned in a physical body not knowing of his past life I wonder how Sally would treat him?

[Hyper_Eye]

You should try it without the music. Quiet is good. The sounds of night are even better. I usually sit on my back porch with no more then my porch light on and do it. Granted I use it to enhance things that are external to me as opposed to understanding more internally. So I like to use it outside as I can listen to my surroundings (a water spicket dripping that I wouldn't normally hear or outside life I wouldn't usually notice) and have things to see (trees and the sky, etc.) For someone that ones to have a more internal experience the best place might be laying in a bed with the lights off or very dim. I hope your next experience is a little more giving and pleasant.

[TooStonedToType]

Hmmm, some people sit on the tops of mountains for years to come up with this - you got it in one puff.

"So when Styx wrote the song "The Grand Illusion" they were talking about this earth."

The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls - and concert halls.

[senorsalvia]

Welcom to the forum there Marsram:  I wish you the very best as you develop your relationship with Salvia....  Yep, she is surely in a class by herself as far as her uniqueness and what she shows the user eh??  I think you will find your own niche as you become accustomed to Salvia...  Most urge quid usage, but for me, I find that quidding has a barely over threshold effect....  On the other hand, I like to smoke 4-6 tokes of 7X or 8X....  I also almost exclusively use Sally during the daytime...  Sometimes I have music playing, but truly the music seems to fade into insignificance as the mental/emotional effects take place... (obviously, I don't find that music is a distraction, rather, I find it immaterial)...  I wish the very best on your journey down the path....Do keep us posted ............  sal

[Veracohr]

I advocate plain leaf usage, unless you find that plain leaf simply doesn't do for you. Tolerances differ from person to person, and some people need more.

I forget who it was, but I remember reading an author who said something along the lines of Americans (and if you're not American marsram, I think we can use the term 'Western') always seem to want it more/better/bigger/faster. It might be a better idea to start slowly, develop a relationship with salvia, in the true spirit of the word: get to know her as she gets to know you. Go on a few dates with her before you try to jump in to bed.  

[marsram]

I advocate plain leaf usage, unless you find that plain leaf simply doesn't do for you. Tolerances differ from person to person, and some people need more.

I second that motion with the leaf. I purchased a 1/4 oz. of sierra mazatecca prime harvest leaf from sagewisdom.org that I am looking at right now.  I would like to get to a level 3 this time. Will 2 hits of dried leaf get me to a level 3? With my post of how I acted on my first encounter would you say I was 5 or 6? This is really important to me to understand if I saw my afterlife the other night or I hope it was the death of my ego. The reality I was in felt like I am existing in there all the time. When you all change realities do they all feel like you were there all along? If so is that because all realities outside of time feel like you have been there all along? (Sorry I ask so many questions but I need to understand this lady before my next attempt at gaining her respect)
If thats the case when I choose to smoke with Sally again if she sends me back to the same dream I guess she is showing me my afterlife. Better to see it while I can still have my physical body to return too and perhaps fix it. Then to die and be cast there with no hope to change it.    So my last question is how long does the dried leaf last before it goes bad? Cause I think I am going to wait until the weather gets nicer. (I live in NJ) thanks for your understanding and support of my voyage and hopefully future voyages with Salvia.

[Spektyr]

I can't answer all of your questions, but here's what I can say.

First, the amount to smoke for a specific effect varies from person to person to enough degree that it would be pretty hard to say how much to use.  Err on the side of using too little.  It's easier to smoke more the next time than to "unsmoke" too much.

Second, don't try to look too hard for answers to what the visions mean.  Let them tell you what they mean.  There's no score, there's no finish line, and no race.  Just live life.  Explore, look for answers, and so on, but don't try to force the puzzle pieces together.  Everything fits all by itself, it's just a matter of looking long enough and with an open enough mind to see the pattern.

You don't really need to understand her to gain her respect.  Just approach her with respect and humble ignorance.  No reasonable entity will fault you for not knowing them before they meet you.  She'll patiently show you everything you need to know.

As far as storage goes, just keep the leaves in a cool, dry, dark place.  They should last quite awhile that way.  (According to Daniel Siebert it's likely that Salvia materials will last for a decade or more if properly stored.)


Oh, and by the way, hello to everyone - I'm new (as evidenced by the tiny post count).

[dergheist]

Howdy Spektyr and welcome to SPF.  Marsram, I agree with TSTT in that you saw what takes years for many to reach if ever.  I think you might just have an ally in her.  She must really like you to accept you into her world so quickly.  Just a hippie talking, but hey that is my 2 cents.

[senorsalvia]

As far as the "what do I make of the in time forever mode"..   Hey, wadda I know :wink: --  I must ring in here and say that I really can relate to that spacial place you mention...  What is it, exactly??  MMM, not sure; but I'm betting that most of the peeps that have very much experience with altered states will tell you that they have experienced the same...  Lemmme put it this way:  I have done most of the entheos out there at one time or another; yet Salvia holds my highest regard...  Why??  The very fact that she puts me in that realm of the timeless/the immaterial/the egoless...   Are we seeing some glimps of the 'other'?  Some glimmer of what 'tommorow holds??  Hey, whadda I know??  I will say that the time spent in that special nexus that Salvia places me into; well; plainly spoken, that is the most wonderous of moments for me...  Sure; there ae times when my 'observer self, my ego etc, attempts to control or interpret what my experience is... (hey, I guess that's a natural occurance stemming from mankinds inate self protection/self awareness sensory wiring)  On the other hand, when I just let be, just experience, without precontrived notions of where I should or should not go; well , it's then when Sally showers me with adoration and shows me she offers unbounding wonder.....  To me, the timeless is an 'always state', that we mere idiots have long ago buried; barely subliminally aware of the real value of our intellctual capacity to self actualize.....  Sorry if this is hard to follow, and a somewhat rambling dissertation........  Sounds to me as if you are well on the path to what some would call Shambala :wink:   ----sal

[Veracohr]

Second, don't try to look too hard for answers to what the visions mean.  Let them tell you what they mean.  There's no score, there's no finish line, and no race.  Just live life.  Explore, look for answers, and so on, but don't try to force the puzzle pieces together.  Everything fits all by itself, it's just a matter of looking long enough and with an open enough mind to see the pattern.

Excellent words.

Marsram: your response to my post tells me that you have different views on life than I do. But even so, I'll give you my advice based on my own life and experiences: don't worry about what 'level' you are reaching. I don't know anything about these 'levels' of psychedelic intoxication that people talk about. I think I read through a description once, but it didn't do anything for me, so I didn't bother to remember it.

Instead of expecting savlia to take you where you want to go, let her take you where she wants to take you. You might very well get more benefit from her that way. There's a good reason why certain plants are referred to as "plant teachers". Observe, and take ample time to interpret before you come to any conclusions about what she is telling you. In some cases, it has taken me years to assimilate certain experiences into my everyday worldview and glean a long-lasting lesson from them.

Always remember this: there is no magic answer.

[Jupe]

well spoken Senor Sal!!!  You said what is so often so hard to put into words.