ID wanted

[Green2Herman]

I read english quite good but I have always have a problem with spelling even with my natural language although I manage to work that away, and currently leave by the pen. I got your point although I didnt expresse it as well as I should have.

[Green2Herman]

It is reasonable to be clear about the acctual need since cactii id'ing takes some time.

Maybe EA could make a new thread with several species for your experiment but as a contest? Maybe you can give something away to the winner? That could be fun for people and give you the statistical material you want.

[LizJah]

Guess my Areola!!

Man I could see Willow and Jrl all over this...Nips, cacti and guitars...Maybe even a calendar!!

Ya'know, that's what we need...a men of SP calendar...I'd crash some cash for an unlikely project like that....

UgLy!! YeaH! I've even got a photo of Somethings Ass for it somewhere!!

[laughingwillow]

LOL Something says he has a photo oo you, lizzy, falling asleep mid-conversation. Guess that full moon puts a fella to sleep, eh?

lw

[EA-1306]

Maybe EA could make a new thread with several species for your experiment but as a contest? Maybe you can give something away to the winner? That could be fun for people and give you the statistical material you want.

I like this save it be for the competition aspect. I don't think such a test of consensus should entail the emphasis upon being correct which would hinder its effectiveness. I don't want it to be about being wrong or right so much as  being an exploration into the connection between consensus and species identity based upon phenotype. This forum had people acting like Christians who can’t pray in school, getting all dramatic and overreacting, the other forums lacked this. It was not the most informative place for the consensus/phenotype connection but it was infomative nonetheless.

I do appreciate the diversity of the responses here, indicating an individualized approach to identity that is preferable than the mob mentality I found elsewhere. At another forum the people were much kinder, but also gave much more predicable and homogenous identifications. That does play into my not being willing to be chased off by immature responses and animosity which thus far has proved to be the rule (with occasional exceptions) for a certain bitter and somewhat repugnant character.

I'd rather endure the bitter animosity of said individual(s) than limit myself as that there are people here who are not so inclined to be disagreeable as a matter of principle.  

Here is another SS01 X Juuls Giant, it came from the same seed batch that the plant in the first photograph did.




Had I asked for an identification upon this as well I imagine that the response would be diverse. Perhaps some realize this thread was not about tricking anyone, but about the problems entailed in species identity. Those of you mature enough to learn that lesson might have a new appreciation for the taxonomic difficulties entailed in a study of the entheogenic Trichocereus complex, as well as the Knize conundrum.

[Avery L. Breath]

Boy, thats a beaut!  ......... doesn't look much like the juuls giant specimen i have though.  But, then again, mines kinda growing up a little on the thin side  cuz I don't get much light around here.

[OBODAOUR]

Very NICE specimen!!!

Peace
OBODAOUR

[EA-1306]

The thing is that these two plants are the same cross! The plant above and this one here are siblings.



If I had not grown them from the same batch of seeds from a grower/breeder that I am familar with I would think they were different species. They are both SS01 X Juuls giant, and this leads me to ask certain questions about genetic expression. I have also noticed long and short spined versions of T pachanoi X SS02 and SS02 X T pachanoi, though overall the spines are the major differences and other traits are much more homogenous.

Someone has suggested that many seeds offered by Karel Knize are collection hybrids, that he sells them as the species that he collected the seeds from but the pollen donor is unknown. This is important to keep in mind for breeding, pure strains seem rare. Since a homozygous condition is important for breeding and study, and homozygous stock is elusive in trichocereus, it becomes a goal to both obtain and create true breeding lines. In some hybrids there is a uniform population of heterozygous genetic makeup, the F2 populations of such crosses could hold important clues about genetic expression in these cacti. A lot of work needs to be done to get a better working understanding of these plants and their taxonomy.

[Jupe]

The bad thing about being an amatuer, its that Cactus ID looks to be a nearly impenetrable thicket of spines....the good thing is that you don't have to worry about these pissing contests you guys get into.

[EA-1306]

I don't think that is an amateur realization, cactus ID is always educated guess work and in Trichocereus it can be misleading

I think we are all amateurs though, an extensive collection or years of growing and identification experience do not in my opinion amount to expertise.

If someone else had posted the plant I did and asked for an ID, I would not have guessed it was a hybrid between a pachanoid and a macrovianoid.

[Cassie]

This thread has been very educative. I believe i grow both the same species as you, EA-1306 .. as shown in the pics. The first one is a Peruvanoid or Peruvianus sp. My similar cacti grow one huge spine as they mature, it gets up to 2" or so.
I love the juls giants best coz they are so easy to handle.
Thanks so much for the link to trouts pictures , i spent a good time browsing them.