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The Grof/Wilber Controversy.

Started by Satori, January 28, 2005, 08:25:31 AM

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Satori

#15
It is focusing on the men's position, yes.
They disagree on a very technical point in what i chose to focus on.
And since it was a small paper, it can of course not cover the whole area, it is more a paper to learn techniques for writings and discussing ;)... And as that it is ok.

And i agree with you subversal, philosophies can only reflect and give valid explanations on reality, and aspects of reality, never proof.
But sometimes, things shows that one explanation is more precise than another, by, f.ex. in this case, having more or less data on a certain area.
Both of them agree on that there are levels of developments, and about the whole transcedental part, but it is obvious, that the focus i choose to take on it, there is a gap between them. In their theoretical systems.
None of them say they can explain the whole of reality, and neither do I.

QuoteWhereof one cannot speak, one should remain silent.

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laughingwillow

#16
Hey, satori.

I have to laugh at any native english speaker who tries to tear your paper apart due to grammar. You have done a fine job, imo. Far better than the vast majority of americans would do in a second language. As a matter of fact, it is written in a higher register than the average american is comfortable using in our native language, imo. Trust me when I say that most any american who has studied a second language would not be sweating the small details as our friend byroon, the moe-roon does in his above posts.

However, I'm in no position to critique or even participate in an intelligent conversation concerning the topic at hand. I'm guessing the point of the exercise was more the structure comparative research than the topic at hand, no?

While its not my position to grade your work, it seems to me like the thread proctors have been a little tight with their marks.

lw
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smokin\' pile of leather.
Nailed a retread to my feet
and prayed for better weather...

senorsalvia

#17
What LW said:  :)     BTW, If any of the lurkers have an itch to learn another language, take note.    I have paid a bit of attention to 'Bahasa Indonesia", as I have an Indonesian net-gal....   Seems that back in da day, the archipaeligo there had so many dialects and diff languages, that in '48 a group of renown linguists got together with the express purpose of devising what they felt was the easiest to learn language....  The result is said to be the new (since '48) Indonesian tounge------------  (for what it's worth) senor only  knows "Kappa Apar"  means: "what's happening"  and "Cantik" means "Beautiful"   (which my Island Lady Is :oops:     Guess I should learn alot more, but hey, senor has slackin' down to a finely honed science :wink:  :wink: -----------------------    sal
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