Shulgin Comments on Juul's Giant

[winder]

For now, this forum seemed like the best place for the topic, given that there is no dedicated cacti forum yet.

Link at CCLE

[Avery L. Breath]

Nice!  I have a Juul's giant.  Not so tall yet, but it's a fat monster.

Anybody check out Sasha's newest book....simple plant Isoquinolines(sp?) yet?

[CJ]

Yes,think what Dr. Shulgin is pointing is that I may have two Juul`s Giants. they have the classic appearance,but I have not seen the fruit yet if that is an indicator.

     If I understood him correctly,each plant may be genetically different. Somthing else may have crossed generations back. Nureries are doing such crossing now. Interesting that one  mesc.result was just a trace,the other`s more.Same plant? no,, three different plants,and other components varied also., even between the samples themselves,though the source for five samples were three plants, not 'five'.

      Where the three reports ancedotal to him, or essays he knew about?

     Also,his his statement true,did an obscure tribe in the upper deserts of Bolivia worship(ie)use the cacti? Does it mean the same ,worship and 'use'.Prolly,by connotation.

[Stonehenge]

I wouldn't mind getting a JG one of these days. I have loads of ordinary pachanio and peru's.

[Cassie]

Thank you so much for this interesting link.
It has inspired my interest in my own cacti again as the juuls giants grow to impressive size in our sub-tropical climate. I am determined to take some decent pics so i can get some comments on them in the cactus forum.
Once, years ago at the old site, i had pics of my huge cacti which have since all been cut down but the biggest juls i've ever seen is just around the corner from me and i'll get a pic of that today too.... beter get busy.
 

[visionarybear]

from my growing experience, i have found that juuls giant grows like a mix of a scop and pach, the new growth each season barely different to that of pachanoi, just a larger diameter, however as it ages into the secopnd seasons secondary thickening, it gains an edge on the ribs much like a scop, making the ribs more triangular to look at, they also share the size of the scop, however the ribs seem to fill out as it ages and becomes almost a column with no ribs, the distintion between ribs is very shallow and give it a 'plump' appearance... the flowers are also the same as the scop..

nice plant to grow, show great growth each season, have to (presumably) different genetic plants in the garden currently..

would love to find an accurate species name one day

[Cassie]

http://www.spiritplants.yage.net/galler ... 02/s_giant

i am wanting to tell you a juul's giant story so ima movin this thread to the cactus section

[M S Smith]

I have no idea where Shugin got the following information, but sure am curious.

...begin to understand why this sacred plant of an almost unknown tribe of Indians, in the upper deserts of Bolivia, worshipped it.

From what I have gathered the natural habitat of this plant is unknown, much less its use as a traditional entheogen, in Bolivia or elsewhere, by an “almost unknown tribe.”  There is also a reason why you can't find any seed of it, but rather only hybrids.  This seems to be due to the fact that the plant is itself a single self-infertile clone of unknown parentage.  Maybe though this is only in regards to the seemingly single clone brought out of its habitat and maybe in South America somewhere there are others of which no one knows the location of.  But it seems a plant of this stature wouldn't be overlooked if it had its own natural growing territory.  I believe it is an unknown hybrid of which only a few exist, and of which only one was brought out of Peru and propagated.  Possibly this clone is the only one that survives.

The closest plant I can find to the Juul's Giant is the "Trichocereus species aff. [affinity to] huanucoensis" at the Huntington that seems to match the Juul's Giant perfectly.  "Huanucoensis" indicates that the plant of which they are comparing the "aff." species to is from Huanuco in north central Peru.  This is of course not to say that the "aff." species is from the same region, but it could be at least conjectured in my opinion that the Juul's, due to similarities to other northern Peruvian species, is at least not from Bolivia.

Love your photos Cassie.  I can only dream of living in your environment.

~Michael~

[Ashoka]

Beautiful cacti Cass, and a nice Cyphromanda betacea (Tomato tree) in the foreground.