Shamans Golden Strain:?

[Bongo]

Oh dear...Have I set the cat amongst the pigeons here? :shock:

Winder, I think TSTT was just pointing out that he was not the only person being skeptical about this. After, I had posted about people tearing her up.
Of course I was talking about TSTT's BS comment.
Now, obviously, Vanessa doesn't feel like coming back to the board to make any further explanations which, was my point in trying to defuse the situation. As you all know, I am not very good at diffusing anything so I will now go and flail myself with a large block of Tofu as pennants.
I admit, I could have worded the point better.

Flip, Flop, splodge,SplaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaT. Ah... :mrgreen:

[TooStonedToType]

"Now, obviously, Vanessa doesn't feel like coming back to the board to make any further explanations"

Bongo, your making excuses for her.  I talked to her.  She wasn't THAT offended at our skeptisim and said she'd be back to publish her propagation guide (although it might take some time), answer questions etc.  She has not.

[laughingwillow]

Bongo: Patience is a virtue not high on the list of todays youth, imo.

ANd critical thinking, apparently, doesn't rank very high, either, with youth nor demigod.

lw

[winder]

My point is there is a difference between constructive critical examination and tearing someone up.  One is rationally-based and the other is emotionally-based, at least in my estimation.

Constructive critical examination is how articles are screened and refined in peer-reviewed journals so that the information is more reliable and more accurately communicated.

Tearing someone up is how people argue and feud.

The former is generally my intention, the latter is not, when posting here.

[TooStonedToType]

Exactly Winder.  Thanks for the well thought out words.

But after critically examination, I thought it all sounds like bs and want some more answers.  I'll try to word things better for the sensitivies we have here.   But I admit I have no patience for scammers - however they got here.   It wasn't a personal attack - really.

[winder]

That's cool.

I thought if there sides being taken, you were against me.

There is no need for side taking, so I hope I haven't instigated some.

If the claims are true, fine.
If not, then we shall expose them, and that is all that needs to be done, without getting into name calling.

Cheers!

[TooStonedToType]

Cool!

Now while we patiently wait for Vanessa's reply:

Hey Bongo - There is a guy right now (only 27 minutes left) on ebay offering 100's of salvia divinorum seeds for sale.  He has a ebay rating of one. (To her credit, Vanessa does have a good ebay rating) Maybe you should buy a couple o hundred and let us know how they are.   They are "fresh" and you can "buy it now" for $37.00  hahahhahahhahahhahaha

[laughingwillow]

I just don't see anyone tearing anyone up in this thread.

And honestly, I never even considered anything you said, winder, to be inflamatory and I don't think anyone did. It appears to me like you have other issues with the community that you are venting here in this thread.

lw

[Green2Herman]

Have anyone tried hormons for increasing number of seeds? Also I do not think it is unresonable to beliave that SD have some sort of disease. Maybe thats the reason both for the problem with setting seeds and the surpricing sensitivity to correct humus levels. I beliave my SD collections have been less sensitive to low humus levels since I started to treat them a couple of weeks ago with tobacco in the water. Maybe I can get seeds also?

[laughingwillow]

Interesting, herman....

I'm guessing the soil ph/nutrient levels in their (restricted) natural environs must be as close to perfect for this plant as you can get. Or maybe just perfect for asexual reproduction?

lw

[Green2Herman]

A lot of other Salvias seem to be able to stand more environment. SD do not to seem to be quite normal.

I was thinking maybe the nicotine would kill the sickness if it indeed is one, maybe some virus, and it would be healthier and flower more. Virus infections can be quit subtile and systematic in species. But I dont know. Maybe I should but some normal Salvia beside it and see if it gets similar problems.

I tried Pyrex on one last year but the Salvia didnt like it, but tobacco usually works without problems. Not that Pyrex would be effective against virus.

I am also thinking about using teas with other herbs to see if it increase health. Maybe Hibiscus, Aloe Vera and Chamomill.

If it is a systematic virus infection and one could remove it, it would be fun to see how that affects the plant. Probably it would loose the problems but maybe it would loose other traits also like the Salvinor production.

Probably it is just some mutant. Maybe the Astec played around with chromosom mutanting herbs on seeds. They were fond on flowers and probably had some knowledge about these also.

[Green2Herman]

Have anyone, by the way, tried to give Selen to it?

[Jupe]

The plant sold for $16.50.  I emailed the buyer and invited him here.  Shaman's Ridge currently has no other ebay auctions running.

hmmmm  that says something, not sure what...."don't get into breeding, it ain't worth it?"
  Actually the idea of a hot/dry tolerating variety has intrigued me for awhile, 'cause the weather is like that here sometimes.....perhaps I'll cross some of our cactii with my salvias....I'll get back to you all when I have some success......... :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

[senorsalvia]

Yep, this has certainly been an interesting thread....   Yo Winder, I am particularly fond of the rational and scientific approach you often take when examining things that come up here....  I too am anxious to hear Vannessa's in depth report as she promised......   senorsal

[Bongo]

Exactly Winder.  Thanks for the well thought out words.

But after critically examination, I thought it all sounds like bs and want some more answers.  I'll try to word things better for the sensitivies we have here.   But I admit I have no patience for scammers - however they got here.   It wasn't a personal attack - really.

You want more answers so tell her it is BS?
How many more answers are you going to get by saying that and isn’t it odd that you say you want more answers after you already call it bullshit?
Would it not be more logical to get the extra answers you seek and then call it Bull Shit? It is not the act of calling a con bull shit I am against, just the timing.
And as far as the seeds on ebay comment goes… :evil:  :evil:  :evil: