The Illustrated Tea Party Dictionary

[Glider]

There was an uptick in militia membership during Clinton's years as well.  Might have as much to do with the second amendment mentioning the word milita and Clinton's / Obama's records on gun control as anything else.

When I was in high school, Sara was my favorite girl.

Sedition is indeed tied to the concept of over throw of a government.  
Anarchy isn't exactly sedition, but an alternative form of government, much in the same fashion as atheism is an alternate form of religion.
Republic is a form of government where the public is actively involved (or intended to be actively involved) in the government.
America is a great nation, with or without problems.

-G-

[laughingwillow]

Glider: None of my friends are in the tea baggers movement that I know of. Around these parts, the group is largely comprised of folks from the religious right. The same folks who wish to legislate morality.

quote glider: What's wrong with Palin, anyway?

quote lw: Are you really serious?

I wish to see morality neither legislated nor passed by the U$ Gubmit. Saraah Palin is too much about the bible and too little about intellectual abilities. Btw, your gal is a micromanaging quitter who prizes brawn over brains. I think she is a vindictive moron who wouldn't be part of this conversation if Mclame hadn't offered her the vp slot. Stupid move by a stoopid fellow, imo.

lw

[Glider]

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

No candidate is perfect.  Palin isn't going to be able to get a state appointed church in place any more than Ron Paul is going to get the Federal Reserve dissolved.  Mind you, I don't want a state appointed church, but I would mind trying life without a Federal Reserve.

Regarding intellectual abilities, I'm thinking that anyone with more brains than desire for power simply never makes it into politics.  We managed with three terms worth of Bushes (cowboy anyone?) and two terms of Clinton (Bubba much y'all?) so I'm sure we'd manage with a term or two of Palin as well.

How's that joke go?  Three guys find a magic genie lamp.  The genie grants them each a wish.  The first wishes to be the smartest person in town.  He soon finds himself running multiple business and cleaning up corruption in the local government.  The second wishes to be the smartest person in the country, and the next thing you know he is touring the Ivy League schools with his lectures.  The third wishes to be the smartest person in the world, and *poof* he's turned into a woman.

What was I saying?  Yeah, I'm not saying Palin is a rocket science, but she's got enough to do the job.

-G-

[laughingwillow]

I think Bush Jr showed us what happens when a politician has more connections than brains. I don't believe this job is for the intellectually challenged. A propensity to act on feelings and entrenched beliefs (maybe false) make it dangerous for a person not accustomed to intellectual pursuits to be president of the U$, imo. Sarah Palin required five changes of universities to finish her bachelor degree in journalism.  And she was unable to finish out her term as governor as well.

Sarah was wrapping herself in the flag and "family values," while running for office. However, she also had a daughter with boyfriend sleeping over on a regular basis. (Regular enough that the kid in question insists Sarah knew of the sleeping arrangements.) So her daughter gets knocked up under Sarah's nose. NOT the family values I care to follow, nor the intellectual capacity to lead our great nation.

We can agree to disagree all you want. I'm comfortable in my opinion that Bush was leading us down the wrong path and he's an intellectual giant compared to Sarah P, imo. Frankly, I'm surprised to see you taking this stance. I'm now guessing your desire to carry weapons and zeal for that issue alone has colored your judgement on this topic.

Sarah Palin represents the religious right. The religious right wishes to legislate morality from DC. I do not wish to live in a country where church is mingled with state. (And I have a tough time believing you want that, either.) Sarah Palin's faith is too strong and her mind too weak for the job in question.

The day our great country turns to a theocracy is the day I consider taking up arms........

lw

[JRL]

Dudes, Sarah Palin is the anti christ. She will push the nuclear button and then wink, don't ya know.

All seriousness aside, I am totally amazed that people take her seriously in the slightest  

The rightwingnuts talk about the evils of the "elite", but don't we want the best and brightest in power?  I mean some of my right wing "friends" say about Plain "well she hunts and fishes" "she's a woman of the people".

If she steals the election like Shchrub did TWICE. then maybe I will join you at the gun store, cause then it would be time for violent revolution.

[Glider]

I wish we had a greater degree of separation between church and state in this country.  Why Janet Reno felt she needed a definition of what a cult is has always been beyond me.  John Ashcroft was not an improvement.

On the other hand, the office of U.S. Attorney General might well be an exercise in compromise designed to please no one.

I personally think Bush was brilliant.  I think he came close to being as smart as Clinton.  If you think otherwise you might just be assuming that he was looking out for someone other than Number One.

-G-

[laughingwillow]

http://www.slate.com/id/2251669/pagenum/all/#p2

quote from linked article:.... Listen to Tea Partiers on cable news—or read the signs they hoist or their Internet comments—and you frequently encounter the flagrant abuse, the historically ignorant misuse, of words such as tyranny, communist, Marxist, fascist, and socialist.

You hear them say, for instance, that we live under "tyranny" because one side lost a health care vote in an elected legislative body. And that, in all seriousness, the president is a communist. For many Tea Party members, the word is not just a vile epithet; it's a realistic political description. Check out this clip in which Tea Party "celebrity" spokeswoman Victoria Jackson flatly tells a flummoxed Fox News host, "The president's a communist." When the host (the Fox host!) starts to object, she responds that Glenn Beck has taught her that progressive is a code word for communist. (Time to put that ugly hammer and sickle logo inside the "O" on your I-hate-Obama T.P. protest sign!)

Unless of course Obama is really a "fascist," as some T.P.ers have it, because he's a liberal, and liberals are fascists (as we all know from that magisterial work of history, Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg). So instead of the hammer and sickle, draw a little Hitler mustache on Obama's face on your T.P. hate signs. Or better yet, parade around with a swastika! (The Tea Partiers seem to get a special kick out of this, for some reason.)

cont quote: ......... made me think further about "cult of personality" as a phrase in relation to the Tea Party. It occurred to me that their cult of personality is a kind of perverse cult of Obama. They've made a graven image of alien evil out of him. Obama: communist, Muslim, Kenyan, Manchurian candidate, fascist, socialist, capable of all varieties of political malevolence. A supervillain, with superpowers. Who requires super lies to combat.

It's time to take on these superliars and stop them from spreading their poisonous ignorance.

[laughingwillow]

I found this article interesting....

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2010/04/21 ... -from-god/

quote from the linked article:

Worshiped by Tea Baggers, Now Glenn Beck Says He's Had a Revelation from God

Jon Ponder | April 21, 2010

Last week, we found what we thought was a definitive poll result in the New York Times/CBS News survey of self-identified tea baggers. The fact that 57 percent of them still support George W. Bush speaks volumes.

But uber-pollster Nate Silver at FiveThirtyEight.com looked at the same poll and found a factor that is much more revelatory and potentially alarming:

[Tea-partiers] are disproportionately attached to, and perhaps influenced by, FOX News. And they are particularly enamored of Glenn Beck. Nationally, just 18 percent of people have a favorable opinion of Beck (the majority have no opinion whatsoever about him). But most tea-partiers do. Do the math, and you'll find that 59 percent of those who do think highly of Beck consider themselves a part of the tea-party. This is, in fact, the single biggest differentiator of any of the items that the NYT asked about: not ideology, not any particular political belief, but whom they watch on television.

What makes this prospectively troubling is that, on his radio show yesterday, Beck informed his followers that he's had a revelation from God:

BECK: God is giving a plan, I think, to me. That is not really a plan. The plan that he would have me articulate; I think to you, is get behind me. And I don't mean me. I mean him. Get behind me. Stand behind me.

Although his followers seem unaware of it, Beck is a Mormon — a fact that might come as an ugly surprise to the 39 percent of tea baggers who call themselves evangelicals, a group that considers the Mormon Church a satanic cult. Mormonism has been rife with prophets since its founding in early 19th century. In fact, unlike most Protestant sects, Mormonism was founded by a man who claimed to be a prophet. According to Mormon theology, Joseph Smith claimed to have been directed by the angel Moroni to a set of golden plates buried in a field in New York state. The plates — which no one other than Smith ever saw — were engraved with text that Smith would transcribe into what became the Book of Mormon, the third Testament in the Mormon Bible.

As a Mormon with hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of followers, it's feasible that Beck might elevate himself from Latter Day Saint to latter-day prophet as well. If Beck continues along this route, we may be looking at the first new cult movement of the 21st century.

[JRL]

A tea bagger told me that the Obama administration was full of marxists(and not Groucho marxists, like me)
I said I know real marxists and they hate Obama as much as the baggers do, and that Obama certainly wasn't a Marxist. He wanted to know all about them. What I didn't tell him was that they are some of the best people i know. The smartest, best informed and most committed to all humanity.

[laughingwillow]

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2010/04/23 ... recession/

Gallup: 75% of Americans Correctly Blame Bush for Bush Recession
Jon Ponder | April 23, 2010

According to a new poll from Gallup, three-quarters of Americans still remember that the financial meltdown happened on George W. Bush's watch.

However, just 19 months after the second greatest economic collapse of the past 100 years — and as a direct result of Republican efforts to rewrite the disastrous history of the Bush administration — a growing number of those surveyed said they are beginning to blame the Bush Recession on Pres. Obama. According to Gallup, in July 2009, only 32 percent — roughly the same number who self-identify as Republicans — blamed Pres. Obama. Now that number has risen to 50 percent. The jump in numbers was caused by the fact that 50 percent of independents and even 26 percent of Democrats now believe that Obama, who was a presidential candidate while serving in the Senate at the time of the meltdown, caused the recession.

On the other hand, Americans have not been completely swayed by conservatives' attempts to rewrite history. In the 2009 survey, 80 percent blamed Bush, compared with 75 percent today.

[Amomynous]

Gallup: 75% of Americans Correctly Blame Bush for Bush Recession
Jon Ponder | April 23, 2010

Silliest thing I've read all week, and it serves as a reminder as to why partisanship and a quest for understanding tend to be mutually exclusive.

The recession was "caused" by systemic issues, and really has little to do with any president, past or sitting.

[Glider]

After further thought, I'd like to revise my position regarding Reno / Ashcroft.  

While I was not a fan of Ashcroft, at least he didn't run around trying to burn out people he didn't like.

[laughingwillow]

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2010/04/26 ... publicans/

from the linked article: At a speaking gig last week for the Manufacturers' Association of South Central Pennsylvania, Newt Gingrich predicted that the tea party movement would eventually morph into the "militant wing of the Republican Party," rather than spinning itself off into a third party.

A few tea party types have taken umbrage at Gingrich's use of the word "militant," but there has been scant complaint so far about his describing them as Republicans. This is potentially significant, because not so long ago tea partiers would have loudly denied they were aligned with the GOP or any party.

Gingrich's statement reflects a growing consensus that tea partiers' assertions of independence may no longer be true, if in fact they ever were. The consensus is based in part on a series of polls of self-described tea partiers — here, here, here and here — that has confirmed the obvious: Tea baggers are conservatives with strong Republican leanings, including an abiding adoration of George W. Bush.

Even without the polling, the protesters' bias has been clear from the start. During the Bush years, the folks who would become tea party protesters in the Obama era sat complacently by while the most inept and corrupt administration and Congress in modern history piled up abuse upon abuse and excess upon excess. It wasn't until about a month after Barack Obama was inaugurated that — after eight long years of Bush, Cheney and the rest — these same folks suddenly found they'd had enough and started hitting the streets with their poorly spelled, often racist hand-lettered signs.

[laughingwillow]

Drill, baby, drill!!!!

[dendro]

Ya a lot of the Mormons do idolize Beck. It's questionable whether many of them would follow Beck if he contradicted their actual sitting prophet tho. There are such Mormons, but if pushed too hard by the church, traditionally such types have left the mainstream church to join with their fundamentalist brethren. There are already many thousands of Mormons who have left, because they see the SLC church as apostate.

The Mor(m)on survivalists, the militia types, agree with most of what Beck is saying. Actually, much of what he says is just recycled fundamentalist Mormonism with a timely spin.

It is conceivable that the SLC church leaders may actually counsel their members to disavow Beck, if he strays too far from their agenda. Right now, they are essentially in agreement, so he is left alone. Because he energizes their base, he is good. That could change.

This is a funny thread to me. Very partisan.   :baffled:  :beek:  :bgrin: