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[simple_simon]

I'm looking for a small sampling of seeds from any or all of these plants. Just enough to get 1 or 2 plants going.
ephedra gerardiana
ephedra sinensis
catha edulis
valeriana officinalis
humulus japonicus
humulus lupulus
peganum harmala
datura stramonium
datura inoxia
ficus religiosa
piper nigrum
erythroxylum novogranatense
mirabilis multiflora
rivea corymbosa
acacia maidenii
petunia violacea
scirpus atrovirens
lactuca virosa
kaempferia galanga
ilex paraguariensis
paullinia cupana
scutellaria lateriflora
diplopterys cabrerana
psychotria viridis
banisteriopsis caapi

I've got the following to trade. PM if interested:
papaver somniferum
nepeta catoria
passiflora incarnata
trichocereus peruvianus
coriaria thymifolia
calea zacatechichi
anthemis nobilis
ipomea tricolor (heavenly blues & pearly gates)
nicotiana rustica
& leonotis leonurus

[Avery L. Breath]

Aren't catha edulis and the ethroxium species illegal to posess in the states?  If you live in the U.$., please remove those from your want list, this is not an establishment that caters to illegal activity.

Avery

[X. Torris]

Aren't catha edulis and the ethroxium species illegal to posess in the states?

Catha edulis isn't scheduled per se, and I don't think the seeds a plant would be grounds for prosecution.  (But I'm not a lawyer.) I don't think the entire Erythroxylum genus is scheduled.  The federal schedule forbids:

Coca leaves (9040) and any salt, compound, derivative or preparation of coca leaves (including cocaine (9041) and ecgonine (9180) and their salts, isomers, derivatives and salts of isomers and derivatives), and any salt, compound, derivative, or preparation thereof which is chemically equivalent or identical with any of these substances...

No mention of the species--- in fact, even coca seeds don't seem to be  actually scheduled at all. Not saying they should be traded.

It's definitely a grey area, and I'm not sure if I'd want to push those boundaries, since the DEA will interpret law any damn way they want.

Welcome, simple simon!

[Avery L. Breath]

Yeah, I guess your right X. Torris.  

If your not terribly worried about it Simple Simon, I won't quible too much about making you remove those.  After all, Khat, it appears is readily available all over the place.   And your not likely to fine any ethrox species anywhere inside the states I'd imagine to begin with.  Not to mention the short  period of viability of any ethrox seeds you may come across (3 weeks total?) and the selective prefferences of each variety as towards soil, moisture and altitude prefferences.   (thats alot of if's)

(Have always wanted to grow one myself.   I mean, yah read so much about plants like that, that are steaped in culture and myth, it's hard not to want one as a house plant/curiosity.)

[VajraPirate]

Sorry if I'm just repeating you, X, but yes the foliage of Khat and the living plant are illegal, not the seeds. Coca is the only member of it's genus which is illegal as far as I know.

[X. Torris]

the foliage of Khat and the living plant are illegal

Are there any instances of someone being prosecuted for possession of a growing plant in the U.S.?  (Either a single plant or a whole grove, I don't care.)  I was under the impression that the feds have only gotten pissy if the foliage is prepared or sold for use.

Probably not a big thing to worry about, but still.  It's such an grey area, and I reckon the DEA likes that just fine, since they will probably get a judge to go along with any "intent to abuse" or "it's an analog or carrier" arguement they might pull out of their ass.

[Avery L. Breath]

...(edit).... I just did a few google searches on coca........ frightening.

Try, coca bitters on google.....

[simple_simon]

Yeah the seeds of both khat & the different erythroxylum species are both legal to possess, trade, buy, etc. although both plants are illegal to grow and/or possess but that's why I was looking to trade for seeds and not plants. I'm sure that the average person wouldn't be in any danger of prosecution for growing either plant if for no other reason than most policemen don't know what either plant looks like and aren't actively looking for those particular plants especially since khat has been used as a decorative landscaping plant in the u.s. for years before it became illegal and many people who have them growing in their yards would be completely unaware of any change in law concerning the plant. While there exists no climate inside the u.s. where the erythroxylum species can grow outside of a greenhouse and considering the many acres of plants needed to produce any significant amount of cocaine, it's fair to say that that plants illegality is completely due to DEA paranoia and self-serving, globally promoted, ignorance but of course the illegality of both plants also provides a convenient loophole to rough up and/or discredit anyone from dissidents to any average person who may have pissed off a cop in some way who happen to be growing those plants and it also gives probable cause to invade and render inside-out the houses of any of those people in the hopes of finding other materials suitable for prosecution. Especially in the case of khat which was made illegal because it was the cultural intoxicant of muslims (who, as we know, are all terrorists and otherwise are evil anyway because they don't worship jesus) the same way coffee & alcohol are cultrual intoxicants in America & Europe which isn't surprising when you investigate America's history with the war on drugs and learn that up until the early 1900's every drug known to man was legal to buy, sell, trade and use until the outlaw of opium which was the culturally sanctioned drug of choice among chinese immigrants and then the outlaw of marijuana which was the culturally sanctioned drug of choice amongt mexican immigrants.

But, as stated, all I was attempting to do was to make a trade for a few innocent seeds which are completely legal (Until further notice).

peace

[Avery L. Breath]

well, to say that Coca seeds are completely legal would be a stretch IMO.  

The only three plants (that is the entire plant in the states would be cannabis (whole plant including seeds federally illegal.) L. Diffusa (including seeds federally illegal, but rarely state enforced illegal) and Psilo's (fruited bodies illegal federally, spores illegal in a few states.)

It is however true that if not the plant itself, cocaine in any form is illegal and seeds of ethrox species could very well contain said cocaine..... or if not that they could simply get you on "material or preparation" charges potentially...... and throw in a balance at a residence and a couple of sandwich baggies and well, I'm sure you get the picture.  But my whole point being that if they really  want you, they can find a way to get you.

[byrooon]

to answer your question Mr. X, a few years ago, perhaps 3, a guy (of foreign descent, dont remember if he was specifically Yemeni) was busted in California for growing a "whole grove." a khat... This is kind of interesting in that in my Sunshine Garden book, Catha edulis is listed as a desirable ornamental shrub. The guy could claim he was growing knat for the nursery trade... as good as excuse as any.

[VajraPirate]

Avery,I think you mean L. williamsii instead of L. diffusa. All parts of L. Diffusa are legal in all states except for california.Maybe I just misread your post, though.

It happens.

[Avery L. Breath]

Yeah, your right, thats correct...........   I meant williamsii

On a side note,  L. Diffusa is illegal in at least one other state, Idaho.  We've got some of the worst worded peyote laws around.

[solaritea]

It is however true that if not the plant itself, cocaine in any form is illegal and seeds of ethrox species could very well contain said cocaine.

This arguement could also be applied to poppy seeds, which often have small amounts of opium coating the seed, if not actually inside of them.  And as we all should now, these are available in every grocery store.  Not to say that the feds wouldn't bust you if they found a bag of poppy seeds on your potting table.

But anyways - There's a PM heading your way, Simple_Simon.  I've got a few of those to give up.

[LizJah]

Hey Sol! Long time man...hope all is well!

I finally used that whole freaking five pounds of kava! Man, I don't think I can ever look at another glass of my home-brew shit.

Lj

[Vertigo6911]

trading still alive here? any P. incarnata left?

i got plenty of Datura stramonium and i ordered some Datura innoxia wich should be in by the end of the week.