advice please, troubled friend....

[Zaka]

Irie,
Dendro sums it up best.
As for Chemtrails, I didn't throw you down the rabbit hole, just skimmed the surface, you are the one who need to dig deeper, if you can handle it! Alex Jones next movie deals with Chemtrails. It's out in Oct '09.
Come on all you doubters....Did any of you watch the movie?
I watched again last night, for the 5-6th time.
It's funny, cos it's not really about Obama.......Popular misconception.
It's more about the Banksters behind it all.

I think that it must be really frustrating for your mate trying to wake you up!
Tell him to sit down and watch Obama Deception with you.....
Then question your own sanity!
Respect
Z

Allow me to translate..... Even though you, anj, are a health care professional/psychonaut with experience in matters psychological, I choose to believe the problem outlined above with your friend's mental health issues is really YOUR problem. Please allow him to guide you through this, your time of need. PS: If you don't agree with me and your friend, you're insane.

lw

LW, Don't think what I wrote needed translating. Feel like I'm dealing with me Ex! :bangry:  
Did you look up Fluoride? I think people who put it in their bodies are crazy. But if you don't know about it then, you would believe that I was crazy! Cool. No problem.
Like Dendro, I want to know the truth, even if it is shocking.
Hey but if blissful ignorance is your bag, then more strength to you!
Sounds like Ave is exactly the type of health care professional we need to wake up....when you get further down the rabbit hole....you'll question all the "education", you've received...like so many other health care professional.
Respect
Z

[laughingwillow]

quote zaka: Hey but if blissful ignorance is your bag, then more strength to you!

Fuck you, moron. This is a thread started by someone who is worried about their friend's mental health due to his inability to function due to obsessive/compulsive behavior. Btw, I translated your quote above after you continued to ask for an example of you being disrespectful to the original poster.

lw

[Zaka]

Fuck you, moron. lw

Irie,
I do love intellectual discourse! :bravo

This is a thread started by someone who is worried about their friend's mental health due to his inability to function due to obsessive/compulsive behavior.
To quote Dendro

Cognitive dissonance is a human psychological trait that arises when new, challenging info enters a mind locked into a set paradigm.

Btw, I translated your quote above after you continued to ask for an example of you being disrespectful to the original poster.

Yeah the Ex used to do that...claims that in her understanding, I told her the sky was green!
Still looking for something Eh!
Well do what the ex used to do and drag up something I said 10 yrs ago...and stick that in my mouth!
Respect :cool2
Z

[Floyd]

grr. I wrote a response an the page f'ed up. Second writings aren't ever as good.

Man LW your out of line...

Its a complicated issue with your friend. He obviously has some mental issues that he's compounding by being obsessed with conspiracy theories. Its hard because even though conspiracy theories are theories, they're a symptom of the fact that we live in a government that is secretive. The cold war and fear of total annihilation put power in the hands of a few to "protect" the general public. I can't imagine there aren't cost benefit analyses carried out by these people that have undesirable costs they would rather not divulge to the populace. While I don't personally believe in chemtrails I wouldn't be surprised if they existed. While I find it hard to believe they would spray chemicals to make us docile, or any other desired effect. Its not beyond my realm of logic to think that those seriously realizing the possibly catastrophic climate change we're facing wouldn't spray aerosols to buy us a bit more time. The U.S. IS the world military leader. The entire purpose of military is to unfurl large operations secretively. Its hard to believe what tey couldn't accomplish.
There is an aspect of truth to it, because there is social engineering. I'll catch flak for this, but if your male, look at your penis. If your circumcised your the direct or indirect (depending on your age) result of propoganda to make cleaner soldiers for a WWIII that never materialized. Social engineering does exist, it CAN be right under our noses and completely ignored. You/i were expected to be warriors.
Again i'll catch flak for that, but ya dig a bit deeper.

We are under the control of some powerful entities. I personally don't think they are completely in cahoots and utterly organized the way conspiracy theorists have it portrayed. But there are certainly groups, whether they be military, business, banking, that have the power to (at least try) to steer the world in a direction they would like it. I'm sure they're not completely malevolent in intent and I think thats might be what gives them the power to be so secretive. In the cost benefit analysis they find that unfurling this program or that is beneficial in the long run, even if a minority or even a majority are disadvantaged now.

It sucks because it probably isn't as bad as your friend thinks it is, but it still is pretty bad, and there is always something to get sucked into.

But lets not curse each other for talking about, really.

[Amomynous]

you are the one who need to dig deeper, if you can handle it! Alex Jones next movie deals with Chemtrails.

It's in a movie?

It must be true.

[Amomynous]

Lets get it right...They're not rabbits, they're weasels!.....and yes there is more than one!
Take a look, careful they don't bite your nose off.
Medication my ass!
Do me a favor, start by researching Fluoride and tells us what you find!

So, let me get this straight. The chemtrails are how the evil overlords get fluorine clandestinely into the water?

Pure brilliance on their part, in an evil overlord kind of way. But that leads to the question: I wonder what's in the fluorine tanks at the water plants?!!!!!???!?!!!!?!?!?!

[laughingwillow]

Here's the bottom line, imo.....

Andy started a thread in which he expressed concern for a friend's mental health. Apparently the guy has been virtually unable to function due to obsessive/compulsive/paranoid behavior. The object of dude's obsessions are not the issue. Andy has not accused anyone who buys into the conspiracy theories mentioned above as being insane. Rather, he is concerned with a particular friend's erratic/paranoid/irrational behavior and what might happen to him regarding trouble with the law/suicide or alienation of affection from his children due to his erratic behavior.

The advice I gave to Andy above is sound whether the conspiracy theories are valid or not, imo. I think the guy is in need of some serious grounding.

Rereading the thread, I don't see a lot of constructive ideas thrown out. Especially from those who decided to make the conspiracy theories the main topic of their replies.

lw

[JRL]

This thread got highjacked IMO.

In my experience with "mentally interesting" peopel(and I have been one and known quite a few) there is no way you are gonna reason him out of this. I think we find something to hang our mental turmoil on. It could be friends, a spouse, conspiracies, it makes no difference. it's just some way to explain the anxiety, to justify it. People become very invested in their problems.

[Avery L. Breath]

Bingo!  Yah hit the proverbial nail on the head Joe.  That was the thought that was escaping me, it all makes a little more sense.


As to the thread hijacking and stuff, I'd like to note for the record, I was never offended or anything by zaka's comments...... didn't even cross the radar.  I tend to think I take where a persons  coming from into account and all he was attempting to do was help via his perspective and maybe even attempting to keap it light, in a easy going humorous sense....  after all he seems to be read up on the subject and wanted to share.  He meant no offense, however I'm sure he felt uneccisarily provoked as well.  Irie Zaka!  

Also, as to LW, I think he did percieve some offenses toward me and came to my defense and I appreciate that as well....... I don't think you can fault a guy for that, other than perhaps in response, style points.  (I've been known to tear it up around here sometimes as well.)  Also, he seemed to be the only one to give me constructive advice up to these last couple of posts (and what dendro wrote) in this entire thread.  (What the!)  So thanks again LW.  You recognized early that the issue wasn't about "conspiracy", I just needed advice in reguards to my friend. I could give a flying fart about conspiracy........ although another thread perhaps would be worth following on the subject.


A~

[dendro]

LW, I disagree that zaka's advice is not constructive. I think it is just as valid as the advice you gave, LW.

Listening to this man, as advised by zaka, is a possible therapy for him. As in the thrust of the advice I gave, perhaps he can gain some perspective on his fears. A key question might be, given the reality of world conspiracy, what can realistically be done about it? How best to protect himself and his family from the consequences? If he could find some perspective, perhaps he could form a plan to deal with the reality he sees, iow to deal with world conspiracy in a healthier way, one that gives him some peace, comfort or security.

"It is a fine line for a friend to walk, between enabling/encouraging the guys delusions and trying to set him straight. Push ot hard, and you are part of the conspiracy. Don't push enough and you might feel responsible if/when he goes off the deep end at a later date."

Why push at all? If the conspiracies are not the issue, as JRL says, then allow the obsession, and guide towards a saner, less fear-driven response to it.

I doubt you will help him by telling him he is delusional.

BTW, zaka, I don't read your posts as disrespectful.

[dendro]

Avery posted while I was writing my last post, good one...

I don't think the thread got hijacked. I think that, given the content of the OP, all subsequent posts were on topic. They may not all have dealt with the crux of the problem presented, but they were on topic. That's the nature of such boards.

[Zaka]

Cool & Irie,
So to quote Ave;

ellaborate dillusion in conspiracy has got a meen grip on him. There is no reasoning with him, he's too well read. Any ideas?

I wonder what you meant by too well read?
And what if he is right? Like you say ;

Am I the one who is dillusional?

I always research everything I can, take nothing for granted ...no it's not obsessive....but I do like to get to the truth of a matter.
I strongly encourage you to take him a little more seriously.
Ask him to go through the Fluoride issue with you....This was my first awakening.....tip of the burg!
Respect & good luck
Z

[Avery L. Breath]

Yeah, I picked up what your laying down zaka.....

[LizJah]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejc8Uxe0kW0

"Unicorns ARE real!"

Lizzy

[laughingwillow]

Oh, there you go, lizzy-mon. Great vid link. LOL

lw