advice please, troubled friend....

[Avery L. Breath]

So, I think this is pretty heavy stuff really, so stop here if your just not that interested....

This friend of mine is a otherwise healthy young male adult, but mentally he's a wreck.  He's a conspiracy freak, anxiety ridden, 2 strikes out (in a legal sense), son of a suicide with 2 kids by two different mothers, has had one complete psychic break already and other assorted worries and completely refuses any perscription cures.  I'm mostly worried about his obsessive attention towards conspiracy more than anything though.  Stuff like contrails, one world government, mind controll, 911conspiracy exc.  it borders on psychosis.  His fits of anxiety and/or depression rooted in his mothers suicide and his past dealings and his own thoughts of suicide he seems to handle o.k. with a little help and reassurance, but ellaborate dillusion in conspiracy has got a meen grip on him.  There is no reasoning with him, he's too well read.  Any ideas?  Am I the one who is dillusional?  I looked up contrails, it's all a bunch of whooey.

[laughingwillow]

This is a tough one, anj. Not much you can do, imo. Maybe make sure he has laid out what to do with the kids if/when anything happens to the guy.

lw

[Avery L. Breath]

Yeah, it's a tough nut.  I won't give up on him, thats the important thing.  It's just hard compete with conspiracy.  It's a virus.  Yah every watch zeitgeist?. check it on utube, if interested.  pretty convincing, but only in the inflamed language it uses.

[laughingwillow]

Right on, anj.

Sounds like the guy maybe has borderline personality disorder. I have a brother in law who prolly has the same thing but will not go to a doctor. However, my in-law isn't intelligent enough to formulate major conspiracy theories. Rather, he worries about personal attacks and robbers entering his father's house where he also lives.

It is a fine line for a friend to walk, between enabling/encouraging the guys delusions and trying to set him straight. Push ot hard, and you are part of the conspiracy. Don't push enough and you might feel responsible if/when he goes off the deep end at a later date.

Good luck bro. Just remember to not let the guy take you with him on his final ride......

lw

[laughingwillow]

ANyway, anj, the guy appears to be in need of some serious grounding. Maybe talking him into spending more quality time with his children would help. Sounds like he needs to be investing in his children's emotional future. That should also help his mental state. maybe.

lw

[Zaka]

Irie Ave,
Well try listening to him......Maybe he's right?
Contrails=Global Geo Terraforming
one world government,=Where have you been? It's all over the Mass media now! Just wait for the one world currency. Even the Pope has called for it!
mind control=TV, if you still watch it, your still under the spell!
911conspiracy= I guess you are talking about alternative versions to the really weak Government version....Let just say I don't buy it! 3 building, freefall collapse,  2 planes = BS
I think that it must be really frustrating for your mate trying to wake you up!
Tell him to sit down and watch Obama Deception with you.....
Then question your own sanity!
Respect
Z

[Avery L. Breath]

Quote Zaka (Well try listening to him......Maybe he's right)

Yeah, he sent me a link to the obama deception, I haven't gotten around to watching it yet, nor am I terribly interested in getting that deep in the rabbit hole.  it just seems like alot of excess worry, when he has got bigger fish to fry in his own life and global conspiracy makes him feal even more powerless.  It haunts him.  His only grounding rod is his kids and friends and as lw suggested, I try to focus on that with him.

Again with the contrails, the best lies are made up of mostly truths.... but it's all bullshit.... just convincing enough to rope even moderately intelligent people in.  and I suspect the same with most of that other stuff.  Movies like zietgiest and most likely the obamma deception, don't offer any credible counter argument that displace their own theorys and are theirfore suspect imo (edit-and are full of deceptive, manipulative and inflaming language).  It's just one step removed to him thinking they are actually out to get him.....

[Avery L. Breath]

and even if some conspiracy stuff is allarmingly right on, I can't condone enabling him in his beliefs.  It rots him and he is not in a position to do anything about it, nor is it what he should be focusing on.  I just wish their was a way to break him of the habbit.......... not that I'm one to judge, mind you.  I'm just regularly thrust into the role as his pier and I see nothing but destruction down that avenue of thought..... some people you just can't derail.

also I don't think joining him in his dillusion would help either of us.  Those kind of complex pictures are like heroin to me (I'm a little obsessive compulsive), I'm just smart enought to stay on more productive avenues of thought/research.......well, for the most part..

[Zaka]

Irie Ave,
Damn It must be frustrating for your mate. He's given you leads that you seem to skeptic to look at.
If you stand on the outside of the rabbit hole and assume that the warren is full of rabbits...But he tells you take a look..it's full of weasels. And you stand on the outside & say I can't see any weasels! You must be crazy! Not very fair on your mate.
Contrails....3 years ago Mainstream Media(MM) said that it was just water vapor( Chemtrails don't exist)....2 years ago heavy metal particles are found in it....MM it doesn't exist!......Less than 1 year ago MM comes out with "Oh yes we are doing it, it for the climate.......Doesn't that trouble you at all?
He's in a position to WAKE YOU UP!
Please do him the decency of watching the movie.....
//http://www.documentarywire.com/category/video
If you look through this site you'll find it plus info on Chemtrails..
Don't take any of it for granted....research it all....then try and pick holes.......There are some but when you realize that more often than not it all fits into the puzzle.
Highly recommend you watch "Endgame" You'll then wonder if they aren't out to get YOU too!
Respect
Z

[Avery L. Breath]

THanks for lending perspective Zaka...... I'll give it some more thought.

a~

[Avery L. Breath]

As per the contrails, it's all just too ellaborate.  It's just too complex in the number of cross cultural people that would have to be involved in logistics and manufacture and distribution and engineering exc.  Theirs just no way it could be kept so well guarded a secret.  And wouldn't the people involved and their children be effected as well?  It's too big, it doesn't hold water imo.

[Zaka]

As per the contrails, it's all just too ellaborate.  It's just too complex in the number of cross cultural people that would have to be involved in logistics and manufacture and distribution and engineering exc.  Theirs just no way it could be kept so well guarded a secret.  And wouldn't the people involved and their children be effected as well?  It's too big, it doesn't hold water imo.

Irie Ave,
Go look at the evidence, then discuss it.
They now admit it !
They also say fluoride is good for you. And mercury in the shot actually help you??
Respect
Z

[laughingwillow]

Well, I've yet to find conclusive evidence of the chemtrail conspiracy theory. Care to provide a link or two?

lw

[Amomynous]

Again with the contrails, the best lies are made up of mostly truths.... but it's all bullshit.... just convincing enough to rope even moderately intelligent people in.

Well, maybe, but I don't know about that. I know folks who believe in chemtrails, but I'd be hard pressed to qualify them as intelligent. Most of those folks don't even know the difference between evidence and movies, and somewhat ironically decry anyone who disagrees with them as close minded. I don't think someone with moderate intelligence would miss that irony

[Zaka]

Irie,
Don't worry, it's just water vapor.
Chemicals! They'd never do anything like that!
//http://acrf-campaign.arm.gov/isdac/
//http://www.climatescience.gov/Library/sap/sap2-3/final-report/default.htm
//http://www.crosswalk.com/news/11572945/
//http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/sep/01/climatechange.scienceofclimatechange2
//http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/sep/01/climatechange.endangeredhabitats
Oh OK Yeah We've been doing it for years, but it's good for you! Don't ya know?
Dig deeper guy's!
Respect
Z