Lophophora

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

The original casting of this 8 ribbed beauty was taken in the Chihuahuan desert, a region with much colder winters than south Texas. Tenaciously weathering freezing winters by growing on the southern, sun-facing slopes of its mountainous home, this individual embodies the power of its kind.
   Some scholars have classified this as a distinct subspecies, more potent and slower growing than the varieties found in the south Texas areas known to the Native Americans as the “peyote gardens”.
   Dr. Terry’s ground-breaking research has shown this northern variety to be genetically distinct from its southern relatives.

http://www.cactusconservation.org/CCI/S ... grams.html

[Anonymous]

If the Lophophora genus really only consists of two species than that means that fricii = williamsii... with that in mind, the whole idea that all Lophophora williamsii are "potent enough" seems mislead to me.

I know some are more potent than other, and I'd wager many, many times more potent.

What we need to do is identify which ones are the best for ingestion so that the N.A.C. can cultivate them.

//http://www.cactusconservation.org/CCI/bb17.html

http://www.cactusconservation.org/CCI/bb17.html

[Anonymous]

Harvest Peyote three to seven (3-7) years after it flowers, and after two to five (2-5) years "hard growth".

1) Obtain Lophophora williamsii = "Peyote" seeds.

2) Sow the seeds and grow the seedlings in a humid enviroment for six months to one year (6m - 1y) and then "harden then off" to a less humid enviroment.

3) Grow the seedlings as quickly as possible until they flower. Allow them to flower for a year or so, thus producing many seeds.

4) Begin "hard growth" to increase potency for three to seven (2-5) years.

5) After the Peyote cactus is five to thirteen (5-13) years past flowering age and has been "hard grown" for a number of years, it may be harvested following the proper method ensuring some areoles are left to produce new "Pups" or "Crowns".

The total process should take anywhere from 7-20 years if you start with seed until your ready to ingest Peyote. It's worth the wait.

*Note*- Never graft your Peyote if you intend to ingest it.

[Anonymous]

[url="http]Lophophora from the Germans[/url]

LOPHOPHORA

diffusa 10K J 1,10 8,40 41,00
8833 fricii 10K,El Amparo J 1,10 8,40 41,00
9359 " v albiflora 10K,Viesca J 1,60 9,40 52,00
9357 " v La Pa 10K J 1,60 9,40
9365 " v Sierra Zavaleta 10K J 1,60
4930 jourdaniana 10K 3,60
2809 koehresii 10K,San Francisco J 1,10 8,40 41,00
9879 " v Encarnacion 10K J 1,60 8,40 41,00
9878 " v Paloma 10K J 1,60 8,40 41,00
9891 " v San Bartolo 10K J 1,60 8,40
864 williamsii 10K 1,10 8,40 41,00
9887 " v Berna Lecho 10K,SLP J 1,60
9886 " v Big Bend 10K,Texas J 1,80
9635 " v caespitosa 10K,La Perdida J 1,80
9632 " v Camargo 10K,Chihuahua J 1,60
9480 " v Cardona 10K Zac J 1,60 9,40 52,00
9638 " v Cedral 10K,SLP J 1,60 9,40 41,00
9888 " v Cruses 10K ,SLP J 1,60
8824 " v Cuatrocienegas Co,10K J 1,60 9,40 41,00
863 " v decipiens 10K J 1,10 8,40 41,00
9896 " v El Amparo 10K,Co J 1,60
9881 " v El Hundido 10K J 1,60
9889 " v El Retiro 10K,Coahuila J 1,60
9634 " v Est. Catorce 10K J 1,60 9,40 41,00
9629 " v Est.Marte 10K,Co 1,60 9,40
9892 " v grandiflora 10K,Selektion 1,60 9,40
9633 " v grau-blau 10K,Selektion 2,20
9639 " v Hipolito 10K,Co. J 1,60 9,40 52,00
9899 " v Hipolito Bergform 10K J 1,60 9,40
9636 " v Huizache 10K SLP J 1,10 8,40 41,00
9893 " v Icamole 10K,Nuevo Leon J 1,60
9367 " v La Paloma 10K Co J 1,60 9,40 41,00
9882 " v La Popa 10K,Nuevo Leon J 1,60
9631 " v Las Coloradas 10K,Co J 1,60 9,40 41,00
9362 " v Los Tecolotes 10K Zac J 1,60 9,40 52,00
9358 " v Mazapil 10K,Zac. J 1,60 9,40 41,00
9640 " v Menchaca 10K,Co J 1,60 9,40 41,00
9643 " v Mex 54 Km 195 Zac,10K J 1,10 8,40 41,00
9898 " v Moctezuma 10K,SLP J 1,60 8,40
9897 " v Nuevo Yucatan 10K,Co J 1,60 9,40
9360 " v Paila 10K, Coahuila J 1,60 9,40 41,00
9364 " v Parras 10K Co J 1,60 9,40 41,00
9627 " v pentagona 10K J 1,60 9,40
9890 " v Puerto Sigala 10 Zac J 1,60 9,40
9641 " v Ramos Arizpe 10K,Saltillo J 1,60
9642 " v Refugio 10K,Nor.d. Conde J 1,60 9,40 52,00
9895 " v Reynosa 10K,Tamaulipas J 1,60
9361 " v Rinconada 10K NL J 1,60 9,40 52,00
9628 " v Saltillo-Monclova Km39 10K J 1,60 9,40
9363 " v San Antonio 10K,NL J 1,60 9,40 52,00
9884 " v San Roberto 10K,Nuevo Leon J 1,60 9,40 52,00
9630 " v Sandia El Grande 10K J 1,60 9,40 52,00
9894 " v Sierra Santa Rosa 10K,Coahu J 1,60
865 " v texana 10K J 1,60 9,40 41,00
9637 " v VillaArista 10K,SLP J 1,60 9,40 52,00
9356 " v weisse Bluete 10K J 1,10 8,40 41,00
9366 Mischung 1,10 3,30 22,00

[url="http]2nd Source[/url]

Lophophora
0 3526 diagonalis !!! 30,00
0 3512 I diffusa MK 55.172, Peňa Miller, Que i 20,00
0 3612 P diffusa , Kö i 15,00
0 3512 F diffusa typf. MK 85.255, light epidermis, N of Vizarrón, Queretaro i 18,00
0 3531 A diffusa v. koehresii , San Francisco, SLP i 20,00
0 3513 F diffusa v. fricii, west of Viesca, Coah i 20,00
0 3531 B diffusa v. koehresii, Las Tablas i 20,00
0 3531 C diffusa v. koehresii, Rio Verde i 20,00
X 3531 C diffusa v. koehresii, Rio Verde i 14,00 60,00
V 3512 N diffusa VM 205k, Vizar-Peňam Qer. 106km i 28,00
V 3512 O diffusa VM 602k, Vizarron north Qer. i 28,00
0 3512 K diffusa, 391/92 15,00
X 3512 D diffusa, Vizaron i 12,00 50,00
V 3513 J fricii - decipiens, Viesca Bo i 15,00
0 3513 A fricii (other origin) 20,00
V 3513 K fricii Bušek, Viesca east., grey epidermis i 24,00
0 3513 S fricii El Amparo i 12,00
0 3513 T fricii JJH 9602115, Parras, Coah i 26,00
V 3515 D fricii KS 198, Viesca, whit - pink flower i 28,00
0 3513 CH fricii MMR 203, Viesca, Coah i 20,00
V 3513 L fricii RS 404, Viesca, white flower!!! i 24,00
0 3513 G fricii RS 404A, Viesca i 20,00
0 3513 H fricii RS 404B, pink flower, west of Viesca, COAH. i 20,00
V 3513 M fricii VM 256k, Viesca, white- pink flower i 38,00
V 3513 N fricii VM 521k, LaFe i 48,00
V 3513 O fricii VM 667k, Sierra Zavaleta i 38,00
V 3513 P fricii VM 680k, El Amparo i 38,00
V 3513 Q fricii, dark pink flowers 12,00
0 3513 fricii, Kö i !! 20,00
0 3513 R fricii, Parras, Coah i 20,00
X 3513 I fricii, San Pedro i 14,00 60,00
V 3514 jourdaniana !!! 45,00
V 3514 A jourdaniana - mammillaris, pink flower with dark strip !!! 65,00
V 3514 B jourdaniana, light flower !!! 65,00
0 3531 koehresii 20,00
V 3531 H koehresii Swoboda, San Francisco SLP i 25,00
V 3531 E koehresii VM 210k, Las Tablas SLP i 28,00
V 3531 F koehresii VM 212k, Morita, SLP i 28,00
V 3531 G koehresii VM 610, Presa de Guadalupe SLP i 48,00
0 3516 A lutea?, 1143/91 10,00 70,00
0 3516 C lutea?, 1186/91 10,00
0 3517 williamsii 10,00
0 3527 I williamsii JJH 8608293, Rio Pecos, Tx i 16,00
0 3517 I williamsii L 756, Huizache, San Luis Potosi, Mexico 1600m, 172/85 i 20,00
0 3527 J williamsii RS 375, Hipolito, Coah i 16,00
0 3527 K williamsii RS 385, Hipolito, COAH. i 20,00
0 3517 P williamsii RS 428A, CuatroCien., Coah. i 20,00
V 3517 T williamsii SB 418, Presidio Co., Tx i 58,00
Number
V 3517 U williamsii SB 854, Star rCo., Tx i 28,00
0 3518 williamsii v. caespitosa, 629/76 15,00
V 3518 A williamsii v. caespitosa, clustered 18,00
0 3520 williamsii v. pentagona 531/76 25,00
V 3521 A williamsii v. pluricostata L1 I, big, 13 ribs, soliter! 10,00
0 3521 williamsii v. pluricostata, 628/76 15,00
V 3527 L williamsii VM 102k, La Mesa i 28,00
V 3527 M williamsii VM 125k, Cuatrocienegas 2 Coa. i 45,00
V 3527 N williamsii VM 126k, Cuatrocienegas Coa. i 45,00
V 3527 O williamsii VM 183k, Hipolito Coa. i 28,00
V 3527 P williamsii VM 239k, Saltillo Kimberly Clark Coa. i 28,00
V 3527 Q williamsii VM 253k, Cuatrocienegas Coa. i 45,00
V 3527 R williamsii VM 286k, Entronqe Huizache SLP i 28,00
V 3517 W williamsii VM 302k, Tangue Menchaca Coah i 35,00
V 3517 X williamsii VM 305k, Sierra de la Paila Coa. i 35,00
V 3527 s williamsii VM 310k, La Paloma i 28,00
V 3517 Y williamsii VM 322k, El Zoro NL i 28,00
V 3517 Z williamsii VM 340k, Cedral SLP i 28,00
V 3527 A williamsii VM 379k, S.I. De Texas i 38,00
V 3527 B williamsii VM 388k, Tecolotes, Zac i 38,00
V 3527 T williamsii VM 398k, Saltillo severnÄ› Coa. i 28,00
V 3527 U williamsii VM 402k, Higueras, N.L. i 28,00
V 3527 C williamsii VM 534k, El Oso i 48,00
V 3527 V williamsii VM 540k, Mina i 45,00
V 3527 X williamsii VM 548k, La Prieta i 48,00
0 3517 J williamsii, 1100/76 10,00
0 3517 G williamsii, 537/93 10,00
0 3527 CH williamsii, 630/76 10,00
0 3517 F williamsii, 666/89, soliter 10,00 70,00
0 3517 CH williamsii, 88/91 10,00
0 3517 N williamsii, 927/95 10,00
0 3517 O williamsii, 945/95 10,00
V 3527 D williamsii, Cedros Zac. i 18,00
V 3527 H williamsii, green form 16,00
V 3527 E williamsii, grey form 16,00
X 3517 K williamsii, Huizache i 10,00 60,00
0 3517 Q williamsii, Huizache i 20,00
0 3517 L williamsii, Huizache, 546/93 i 20,00
O 3527 F williamsii, La Soledad NL i 28,00
V 3527 G williamsii, violet form 16,00

Out of ALLLLLL these Lophophora, are there any that may be more potent than the others? If so... please indicate which.

[Anonymous]

"Lost Peyotes" at the Corroboree

Crossing Cacti

"White Peyote" Lophophora decipiens var. brackii

Trichocereus "True Blue" peruvianus

Comments by Mr.Trout on "Lost Peyotes"

Kie Ti' Koal's post at Edot

Turbinicarpus Info

Psychoactive Cacti of the New World

Uses for Cacti

Turbinicarpus "Lost Peyote"



~ "Peyotes" and other Psychoactive or Medicinal Cacti ~

"True Peyote"

~Lophophora williamsii


"Peyotes"

~Ariocarpus fissuratus; and other species
~Coryphantha compacta; and other species
~Pelecyphora aselliformis; strobiliformis

"False Peyotes"

~Lophophora diffusa
~Ariocarpus retusus


"Lost Peyotes"-

~Ariocarpus agavoides; kotschoubeyanus; and other species
~Astrophytum asterias; capricorne; myriostigma; and other species
~Aztekium ritterii; and other species
~Coryphantha elephantidens; macromeris (var. runyonii); palmeri; and other species
~Echinocactus grandis; grusonii; platyacanthus; visnaga; and other species
~Epithelantha micromeris; and other species
~Leuchtenbergia principis; and other species
~Lophophora decipiens; fricii; jourdaniana; koehresii; lutea (yellow flower); and other species
~Mammillaria craigii; grahamii (var. oliviae); heyderi; (Dolichothele) longimamma; (Solisia) pectinifera; (Mamillopsis) senilis; sonorensis; and other species
~Obregonia denegrii
~Strombocactus disciformis
~Turbinicarpus laui; lophophoroides; jauernigii; pseudomacrochele; (Pelecyphora) pseudopectinatus; schmiedickeanus; and other species


Other North American Psychoactive or Medicinal Cacti-

~Carnegiea gigantea
~Echinocereus salm-dyckianus (var. scheeri); triglochidiatus; and other species
~Pachycereus pecten-aboriginum; pringlei


"San Pedro"-

~Trichocereus bridgesii ( "Achuma" )
~Trichocereus pachanoi; peruvianus; and other species


Other South American Psychoactive or Medicinal Cacti-

~Armatocereus laetus
~Browningia (?)
~Epostoa lanata
~Matucana madisoniorum
~Neoraimondia macrostibas
~Trichocereus terscheckii; and other species


Canadiates Hybridization with Lophophora williamsii-

~Astrophytum species
~Aztekium species
~Coryphantha species
~Leuchtenbergia principis; and other species
~Lophophora species
~Mammillaria species
~Obregonia species
~Strombocactus species
~Turbinicarpus laui; lophophoroides; jauernigii; pseudomacrochele; and other species


Canadiates for Ingestion-

Ariocarpus  species
Aztekium species
Coryphantha species
Echinocereus species
Epithelantha species
Mammillaria species
Obregonia species
Pelecyphora species
Strombocactus species
Turbinicarpus species

[Amomynous]

*Note*- Never graft your Peyote if you intend to ingest it.

Why?

[Anonymous]

It makes it much less potent.

[M S Smith]

It makes it much less potent.

What evidence do you have for such a definitive sounding answer?  What would you say qualifies as "much less" as opposed to simply "less"?

The extensive listings of Lophophora are in most cases simply collection locations and should not be construed as meaning each location bears plants dissimilar enough from the other locations to warrant a different categorization in to subspecies or variations.  Nor should any such listings mean there are meaningful differences in alkaloid composition between one location and the next.

Teotz has obviously be studiously poring over my book for his "~ 'Peyotes' and other Psychoactive or Medicinal Cacti."  Should I be honored?  I'm not sure.

~Michael~

[Himdumb]

It makes it much less potent.

Teotz has obviously be studiously poring over my book for his "~ 'Peyotes' and other Psychoactive or Medicinal Cacti."  Should I be honored?  I'm not sure.

~Michael~

Honored, or suing for copyright infringment.

[Anonymous]

When ever citing Mr.Smiths work, Sacramental and Medicinal Cacti I am always sure to give him credit.

It's really a GREAT book for anybody interested in the subject.

[Kada]

there was a paper (i cant remember its name or author, im sure MS does!) that showed that grafted plants were still active.  i remember them being tested on myrtillocactus geometrizans and... (my memory is below par).  i have tasted my grafts on myrtle, pedro and stenocereus and all taste similar to seed grown plants.  i did try some steno grafts, and got the beginnings of a feeling -call it enlightening-, but that was with only 15-20 grams dried, so maybe not enough.