Icke on Obama

[Bushpig]

Ickes recent article on president elect:

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281

[Amomynous]

Personally, I think Icke is a paranoid psychotic.

That's not to say that this essay is off-base -- I happen to agree with much of what he's saying here.

Does that mean I'm a paranoid psychotic?  Nah. Even a broken watch is right twice a day

[cenacle]

So you're saying the man who hasn't taken office yet is a fraud. I guess we'll see if you're right or not. I like to see a movie first before calling it good or not. I guess others just have, or believe they have, greater powers of the mind to see the future than I do

I personally believe hope can move mountains, and despair can lead individuals and nations both into black times. Sometimes all there is to keep moving in this life is hope. But, again, we'll see what happens in 2009 and beyond.

[Zaka]

Thanks Bushpig for posting this.....NuffRespect
Personally I agree with almost everything that Icke has say....95%
Problem is if he's bloody right!!!!........
The other 5% of what he's saying is probably right too.......
Which means we are a slave race to a bunch of friggin lizards....
Now that should make you paranoid Amomynous.
Paranoia is a valid defense mechanism.
Have you seen the True African History? I'll post a link after the youtube boycott.
Respect
Z

[Amomynous]

Yea, I think we're slaves to the lizards. Where I disagree with Icke is in this: we're the lizards.

I don't really have an opinion on hope. On a philosophical level I'm a fan of optimism, thinking that it leads to a more balanced mind and psyche, better enabling us to meet life's challenges. Pessimism is an unsupportable position, on spiritual, psychological, and philosophical levels.  

That said, on a personal level I experience little optimism, seeing no cause for hope anywhere. At times it seems that life is a marathon, and the only possible accomplishment is getting to the finish-line. On a positive note, we all get to the finish-line It's the one thing guaranteed in life.

[Amomynous]

I guess others just have, or believe they have, greater powers of the mind to see the future than I do

When predicting the future, there are no guarantees, but there are some "safe bets" that you can take to increase your chances of success and amaze your friends at cocktail parties. To wit:

1) Looking at current trends, human dignity and freedom are decreasing. Alienation and suffering are increasing. Control is increasing. While "past performance is no indicator of the future," you are more likely to be right if you predict current trends forward, so, for example, freedom will probably continue to decrease.

2) En mass, we get what we deserve. If you want to see what the future holds, ask what the majority really want. We're pretty good at getting what we want. Extending the above example, that's why freedom is decreasing. People prefer the comfort of perceived security.

To take another example, people talk a lot about forging more sustainable modes of living. But look at some of the effects of the "current financial crisis."

o Spending is down
o Saving is up
o Credit is down
o Consumption is down

From a sustainability perspective, these are all good things (especially the last). But instead of embracing these things as positive developments, people are freaking out. They may pay lip-service to sustainability, but they don't really want it.

A week or two ago I heard Obama say on the radio -- with pride and glee -- that we was going to institute and lord over the "largest federal spending campaign ever." Where is the sustainability in that?

[JRL]

Pretty much an empty slam in my opinion. I say give the man a chance, I feel that we are in unprecedented territory, check back in next New Years.

[Bushpig]

Well, we do not know for sure until  in office but I do not see the article as an 'empty slam' and it seems to me at least worthwhile knowing the background of a president elect, his associates, connections and the like to get some sort of idea.  Was it those things you consider an empty slam ?   They seem quite concerning to my mind.  What is your explanation of them ?  


Bushpig

[Floyd]

Well, we do not know for sure until in office but I do not see the article as an 'empty slam' and it seems to me at least worthwhile knowing the background of a president elect, his associates, connections and the like to get some sort of idea.

Definitely

Bush's greatest contribution was to make people more aware of the extent of lies and deceit in the government. The populace has been somewhat lulled since the 60's. Now, more and more are on their guard again. With the explosion of information and the ease of sharing that has come about (really in the last 6 months) we're at least going to make it hard for them.

Maybe (probably) they saw it coming and Obama was a way to lure people into thinking things had changed, get them to stop looking over their shoulder all the time. A black man in the office is a fantastic victory for the civil rights movement, but race doesn't have anything to do with the problems of political control and government deceit we're facing.

But he's the president so we're force to give him a chance. The best we can do is watch the man like hawk and write as often as possible

[Floyd]

On that note. It would be cool to have easy RSS feeds of relevent legislation via govtrack.us

An easy way for us to add items of concern for the community to watch and act on.