86% of Americans favor decrim. Will Obama listen?

[Stonehenge]

History suggests he will not listen. Big pharma and other money players are against it. What will it take, a revolution?

http://www.losangeleschronicle.com/articles/79859

An over-whelming majority favor the legalization of marijuana, according to a new Headline Press survey. The new poll found that 86% of all those surveyed favor the decriminalization of pot.

Headline Press dot com regularly surveys visitors on important news related issues of the day, providing daily news headlines from all the major and independent news organizations in the U.S. online for free.

The online survey, conducted over the last two weeks of October, found that only 14% of those surveyed do not want the use of marijuana legalized. Studies indicate that the medicinal use of marijuana aids in the healing or prevention of cataracts, broken bones, a variety of cancers and other ailments.

Opponents of the legalization of marijuana argue that since the use of alcohol is already legal in all states the usage of marijuana should continue to be outlawed. Controversy surrounds the usage of marijuana, despite increasing scientific evidence that its long term damage effects are limited. A state law in California allows the legal dispensing of marijuana for medical purposes.

Those who favor its legalization point to the lack of law enforcement in many other areas, criticizing lawmakers and other government leaders for allowing the growth of white collar crime, which helped to damage the national economy with the credit crisis through actions on Wall Street.

Enforcing marijuana prohibition costs American taxpayers roughly $10 billion annually and results in more than 829,000 arrests a year, far more than the total number of arrests for all violent crimes combined. The arrests are much easier to obtain by police than the time and effort required to produce arrests in many other areas of law enforcement.

[dogbane26]

I don't think it will be decriminalized.

Ya know if i have a headache or pain id rather make opium tea  than take a tylenol but i cant do it cause our government thinks its bad.    

I think opium would be alot better for the human body than some synthetic like tylenol.   We didnt evolve to take man-made shit and its only been around for 150 or less years.  

We have  taken herbal medicines on the other hand for a long time.

I think marijuana will continue to remain illegal because if they legalize it the government wont make any money off it because everyone will grow their own and not buy from the stores.  

I think alot of intelligent unclosedminded people know the reason it is illegal is because of economics and not cause its bad.

Government only likes when they can make money and that will always be the case with alcohol and tobacco and not with marijuana.  


The word marijuana was even created to make it sound bad.  I dont like that word  id prefer to call it Cannabis

Sure you could brew your own beer but i looked into it and unless you grow the barley, hops, and other ingredients it is going to end up costing the same to buy them and will probably taste like shit unless u know what your doing.  

Tobacco is the same story. It doesnt grow 3-8 feet and produce alot you need alot of plants and not just 1 plant to produce what u need.  

You need some greenhouses to do that.  Cannabis on the otherhand is easy to grow.  

I think dea, police ,etc would be out of jobs if they made it illegal since it is the #1 illegal drug abused in america.

[Anonymous]

Tobacco is the same story. It doesnt grow 3-8 feet and produce alot you need alot of plants and not just 1 plant to produce what u need.

Sorry man buts that bullshit, I grow a bunch of tobacco myself this year!

[Syd]

I think dea, police ,etc would be out of jobs if they made it illegal since it is the #1 illegal drug abused in America.

Please give a reference for this juicy lil factoid.

Tobacco is the same story. It doesn't grow 3-8 feet and produce a lot you need a lot of plants and not just 1 plant to produce what u need.

I would need a lot more than one pot plant to maintain a habit such as is my tobacco habit.

I think marijuana will continue to remain illegal because if they legalize it the government wont make any money off it because everyone will grow their own and not buy from the stores.

There will be thousands if not millions of people buying pot from stores, just as there are millions buying tobacco products. It is a fact of life, people are lazy.

[Bushpig]

More likely illegal because it will relegate many pharmaceutical products into irrelevance.  Else would big pharma not have really got into marketing it and selling it on a grander scale ?  They could but I think the damage it would causes to their finances on other products is huge.

[Stonehenge]

Dogbane, I think your claims that people would rush out to grow it have been refuted. It's legal to brew your own wine and spirits most places but very very few do. They would rather buy. Same with tobacco which is easy to grow. Same with a lot of things. You do have one point, in that we would save a ton of money not locking up millions of people every year for what amounts to political crimes.

Now that Obama is the official winner, as I had said all along, is he going to do anything about this? I say no. All presidents who were accused of being stoners or dopers have cracked down harshly on fellow stoners to show... I'm not sure what they were trying to show. Maybe to show what big hypocrites they were? Clinton locked up more people for drugs than any president before him. Even more than mr law-and-order Reagan. Most likely Obama will follow that path. He has already flipped and flopped on his earlier pledge to go easy on medical pot patients.

You would think that 86% of the public can not be ignored. We shall see.

[dogbane26]

Sure people could grow their own tobacco but it would take up alot more space which i doubt most people have unless they have greenhouses, own a lot of property and have the land to do it on but that would be a problem if you live where the growing season is short.  Im not sure how much tobacco you could grow in the summer and then store yearround to smoke?

Cannabis takes alot less space to produce the end product that you need.  

The lazy argument is true for alot of things but its not that hard to grow just an initial investment of some grow lights.    

Beer is harder to brew and government makes so much off of selling it.

My point is even if u sell anything if government doesnt get a cut you will be in trouble thats why it wont be legalized because many will grow their own.  

Even on here if u are making more than 600.00 a year selling products you have to pay taxes.  

   Id like to try making wine actually.  

Anyone here made elderberry wine?  

War on drugs is based on racism.   Blaming chinese using opium and how they would then seduce white women, blacks it was cocaine, latinos marijuana...etc.  

It was on the history channel: Illict drugs and how they got that way.  

Most americans dont know the reason. They just think they are bad when we all know alcohol and tobacco isnt any better.  It is just a money making thing for the government.  

They make alot off selling tobacco, and booze.

[Syd]

They make a lot off selling tobacco, and booze.

They sure do! They'd make just as much selling marijuana.

The word marijuana was even created to make it sound bad. I don't like that word id prefer to call it Cannabis

I highly doubt any government, American or foreign, had any say in naming it marijuana. Where do you come up with this stuff?

[Anonymous]

Dogbane, I think your claims that people would rush out to grow it have been refuted. It's legal to brew your own wine and spirits most places but very very few do. They would rather buy. Same with tobacco which is easy to grow. Same with a lot of things. You do have one point, in that we would save a ton of money not locking up millions of people every year for what amounts to political crimes.

Cannabis is different, an entire culture based around something illegal has been created... Imagine, everyone who has ever considered growing cannabis suddenly can legally do so... now some of those people will rush out and grow... but I think most will notice... hey, I can just buy this stuff legally now!

I think it's real fucking simple.... Americans should vote! If we did that tho... everybody knows cannabis would be legal!!!

Sure people could grow their own tobacco but it would take up alot more space which i doubt most people have unless they have greenhouses, own a lot of property and have the land to do it on but that would be a problem if you live where the growing season is short. Im not sure how much tobacco you could grow in the summer and then store yearround to smoke?

With a little over 10 plants, I project to have as much as 5,000-10,000 cigs. I'm not a big smoker so this will probably last for years. The older the tobacco gets, the better it gets, tobacco has an infinite self life. As a matter of fact, older tobacco is always considered better.

Here's a picture of the young plants, they reached over 8 feet tall when they were fully grown.

[JRL]

Syd I believe dogbane is right about calling cannabis marijuana. I think the powers that were in the 30s wanted ti associate with Mexican immigrants.

[Syd]

Syd I believe dogbane is right about calling cannabis marijuana. I think the powers that were in the 30s wanted ti associate with Mexican immigrants.

Close JRL. Check this out. It states "The term marijuana for cannabis, in English-language usage, dates to the end of the 1800s. One theory is that anti-cannabis crusaders popularized the term to take advantage of fears of Spanish immigrants carrying the drug.". Though this is just one theory among many if dug into deeper.

Lovely plants Teotzlcoatl!

[JRL]

I stand corrected. AS far as people growing there own if legalized, if California is any measure people will grow their own. so many people are growing "medical pot" that te street price of very good bud is down from $350/oz to $200.

[Stonehenge]

So you are against legalization because it would drive down the price? I say drive it right down. And anyway, even with the price of a good bottle of scotch costing well over $50, people are not brewing their own that much. Even with the price of cigs over $2 a pack, (or is it $3?) not many are growing and rolling their own.

[JRL]

Stoney, again you put words in my mouth and misunderstand what I said. Not sure where your view of what I said came from. I am all for legalization, obviously. Plus I am a dope consumer not a dealer, so the price shift is nothing but a relief. My point was merely that in this case, people have taken advantage of the decriminalization to grow their own under the medical umbrella. Just sharing the facts that I have experienced here in California.

Ok, let us put this pissing contest to rest, I truely believe we want the same things. I got enough agravation in real life with trying to make living, sick parents and preserving my sobriety, I come here for fellowship and relaxation mostly. I just don't want to work that hard.

The bottom line is Obama won. He is our president and none of us know what or how well he will do. Let us work for renewal and hope for the best.

[laughingwillow]

jrl: I just peeped this thread ONLY because you had posted in it. Don't let him get you down. Any reasonable person out there reading this thread knows you are not standing against decriminalization of da kine.

Its too bad the community isn't able to put mods on "ignore." I'm tired of reading reasonable comments getting followed by remarks like we see above.

lw