Illegal Botanicals (U.S.A.)

[Anonymous]

The Following Botanicals are Illegal in the U.S.A.-

Dried Psilocybin/Psilocin containing Mushrooms
Lophophora williamsii (All parts except seeds)
Tabernanthe iboga (All parts except seeds)
Erythroxylum coca (All parts except seeds)
Cannabis (All parts except seeds)
Papaver somniferum  (All parts except seeds)



Spread these as much as possible!

"'Shrooms" ~ Psilocybe Mushrooms (Spores/Mycelium)

"Peyote" ~ Lophophora williamsii (Seeds and Plants)

"Iboga" ~ Tabernanthe iboga (Seeds and Plants)

"Khat" ~ Catha edulis (Seeds and Plants)

"Opium Poppy" ~ Papaver somniferum (Seeds)

"Coca" ~ Erythroxylum coca (Seeds and Plants)

"Marijuana" ~ Cannabis (Seeds)

[Anonymous]

Sadly the above botanicals are illegal in the U.S.A.

I believe the key is massive cultivation and the free movement of the means for self-sufficent production of said botanicals. The constitutes of said botanicals in the "( )" should be spread as much as possible within the community as means of propagation.

*Note- I'm not encourging any illegal activity, always follow your local and State laws*

[laughingwillow]

Teo: Its sort of fun watching you talk out of both sides of your mouth in the same thread.

We had another young kid who liked to do the same way back when spr was spf. (I don't remember his name.) But the kid didn't like the way we ran the boards with a non-incrimination policy. He raised hell and made his views known. Then one day he got busted. A little later he came on line and admitted what happened. He also said that he now understands the policy of non incrimination. He told us that more than once.

The bottom line, for most adults, is that you can  either do or talk about doing, but not both. At least in public. And with you manners on these boards, I really doubt you will ever get old time regulars here to do much bidness with you. Too much talk. Maybe one day you will learn. What you do is up to you. But I feel sorry for those who you might take down with you. I'm guessing it will be nubes to the scene, just like you.

I'd rather see you take your act on the road and quit preaching to the locals. There are a ton of non-entheo sites that could use your words of wisdumb. But here, you are preaching to the choir and potentially drawing unwanted attention to the site by advocating illegal acts.

I know I'm not the first person on the first site to get sick of your immature ways. You have made enemies  where ever you go. Get a clue before its too late. Grow the fuck up. This isn't a game.

Or are you intentionally attempting to draw negative attention to this site?

lw

[senorsalvia]

Hmm now; I'd make a comment but LW pretty much hit it outta the park..  Teot my man, I can truly understand your fervent hopes for a "entheo overgrow" style of approaching things, but you do need to realize that there are ways to finess such issues....  I will say one thing; you certainly seem to have quite the green thumb..  Good luck on your hoticultural pursuits, and let's hope LEO does not make an appearance at your digs........

[Anonymous]

I certainly don't do anything illegal, so I'm not really worried. Unless the cops want to arrest me for having a couple of grams of cannabis, I have nothing to worry about.

Or are you intentionally attempting to draw negative attention to this site?

I posted this on every site I could think of! Not just here! I can remove it if you'd like.

I tryed to be vague in my wording. How did that one guy get busted?

I'd also like you guys to know that I only advocate the cultivation of botanicals, I DO NOT advocate the use of drugs. I just hate I can't grow these amazing plants! That's all I'm trying to say! IF LW or Senor of anybody esle wants me to remove this, I'd be glad to, just let me know.

P.S.- I'm not missing any illegal botanicals, am I? I think those are the only 7 specially illegal botanicals in the U.S.A.

[Stonehenge]

Discussion is always allowed. Where we draw the line is advocating illegal acts. Your post was a little borderline but I see nothing wrong with it. We aren't a bunch of old ladies hiding under the bed but we try to keep things low key.

Last I heard, khat had been removed from the list of banned plants but I can no longer find the list. The ingredients in khat are still illegal. Lots of ingredients in legal plants are illegal so you shouldn't extract them.

[Anonymous]

Lots of ingredients in legal plants are illegal so you shouldn't extract them.

Right and this is my point exactly! I just want to grow these amazing plants!

Please nobody extract these plants! Doing so allows us to be subject to the full extent of the law, but growing the plants for scientific purposes, should be totally legal.

Has "Khat" really been removed?! If so... I'm getting some!

[senorsalvia]

When you state it that way Teot; I can see exactly where you're coming from....  If you get a chance, you might want to do some Googling concerning the state of Louisiana...  About a year and a half ago, they trotted out a laundry list of musta been 40 or so plants that they were listing as banned:  Salvia, Viridis, Caapi, and on and on...  They were truly trying to basically attack anything with an entheo effect regarless if the actual substance was currently scheduled or not...  The only saving grace to the bill(which was put into law), is that they did make the little gesture that the plants were still allowed for landscaping, or botanical specimens, just not as 'prepared dosages'.....  So I guess not a total bad thing....  I can certainly understand how you'd just get a kick out of having some specimen or another around, watching it grow, and getting off on the fact that therin lies the living breathing 'entheo'..  Must be fun, alas, I have never been able to grow much of anything, just never had the knack, nor place,climate what have you....  Like was stated above, don't bother to delete; we're all experienced and world weary enough to handle things...  We've just always tried to stay on the 'theoretical side' on issues of legality........

[Anonymous]

We've just always tried to stay on the 'theoretical side' on issues of legality.....

I currently don't own any grey-area botanicals in the U.S.A., but once precidents have been made (such as allowing NAC members to grow Lophophora) I will consider obtaining some of these rare and interesting botanicals!

[laughingwillow]

teo: I can't count the number of threads you have inquired into the entheogenic strength of a certain cactus or if the other person has bio-assayed said plant to know its strength.  I've seen you ask for lophs on the trade forum. Advocating the breaking of laws isn't negated by claiming in the following line that you aren't advocating the acts advocated above. Nobody is that stoopid.

The bottom line is that you are playing loose and free with flaunting the law in public. I know its a youngster/ego thing. But there is the potential to affect others as well. You have been warned. While I could care less if you get busted, I'd rather you go about that bidness somewhere else.

Btw, stoney, while you are free to put in your two cents to this conversation, I see you as one of the most shitty moderators in the history of spf/spr, so any advice you give should be taken with a grain of salt, imo.

lw

[Stonehenge]

lw, while you are allowed the same freedom to express your opinions as teo is, you do not run things around here. I've got news for you. You do not give warnings nor do you set policy. Policy is the area of the membership in general and the mods/admins in particular.

[laughingwillow]

Hey, stoney.

Nobody asked the nube to remove his post. Just like no one asked you your opinion on if it should be removed. But there the two of you are....

Btw, show me a warning or spr policy I made that I wasn't entitled to make in this thread. I posted as a forum member. You posted as a mod. And its not the first time you have butted into bidness in a forum that's not your concern. Remember?

lw

[laughingwillow]

stoney dude: I don't think you read so well. My warnings to teo have nothing to do with forum policy. When I say he's been warned, its to the fact that I see him as a prime target to get busted by the poh-poh. Only a dumb ass would equate the warning I made above in the context that it was presented as a forum warning. And that's why I don't think you make a very good mod. Most written subtleties seem to be lost on you.

lw

[Stonehenge]

lw, you warn people and then say it's just your opinion. I explain that you don't run things around here and you try to say that's acting as a mod and imply that it's something wrong, which it isn't. You hate me for some unknown reason, perhaps due to your mental instability. That's your problem and I don't let it bother me. I will continue to give my opinions whether you like it or not.

Teo, according to forum policy, you are allowed to state your opinions same as lw or anyone else and it counts the same as anyone else's. lw is not trying to protect you from anything. He could care less what happens to you, he said as much. There is a fine line between talking about your own experiences and encouraging others to do the same. Saying it was a foaf or swim means little. We are in the process of hammering out forum policy and when it's done, it will be posted. In the meantime, try not to advocate illegal things or gray area. You can talk about what you want but try to be prudent.

[Anonymous]

I really don't mind removing this thread if it's causing problems.

Didn't mean any mal-intent.

Again, I'm not afiad of the police, as I don't do anything illegal, except smoke cannabis, all my botanicals are legal and I don't grow cannabis or mushrooms. I pay my taxes, I follow laws... why did I need to fear the police for discussions I have on forums?

I understand what your saying Stonehenge and will glady comply with anything the mods or admins ask me!