please help me get back

[salviaalien]

please help me to get back to the right world/dimension i came from; after doing a bunch of drugs i smoked salvia and got catapulted speed of light somewhere i thought was spiritual but really i just  liked shooting thru space but i got sent to hell then AFTER of course i smoked it i read Aurelia Aurora Catarino (Mazatec shaman) saying "in the wrong hands Salvia can be disastrous and send people to hell" and now people only say "oh, that's just in a trip, in a trip it can send people to hell" -- NO; i'm talking about permanently one-way warping into a dimensional layer so dense and fucked up where i got catapulted the wrong way and instead of hyper evolviong which was the intention i hyper de-evolved now i need a way to get back and i honestly thought the answer was thru Salvia as well seeing as this has the power to shooot one thru portals anywhere anytime im thinking it has the power to also restore my evolution and bring me back to my right space and time

[salviaalien]

also, the above quote from the mazatec shamaness is purposesly not included on sieberts sagewisdom site; i read nothing but good things about salvia until after i smoked it i started seeing bad things;i feel like i already lost....a long time ago........please help me get back

[Guybrush]

im not sure if i understand you right.

you did smoke salvia and had a bad experience?
and you did not came back from that?
like you where still on that "trip"?

(i wonder how you are able to type if thats so) =)

i had a real bad experience with salvia. i read tons of stuff before.
but this experience ended, that was my luck. the next weeks i was totaly confused and really frightened that my mind will not de-stress.
but after some weeks it was getting better and better.

for me it helps to write down what happened. do it as exact as you can remember. after i wrote that down, i realized that some things were not like i had in mind before, and with the process of writing it it was getting clearer and clearer , and simpler. first i could not explain at all what happened, but then it was so simple that i was astonished.

or were you in this "mess" before you smoked s.?
and you wanted to bring things back to normal with this?
i would advise, if someone is in real trouble like that, he/she should not do psychedelic substances without a really good and pro "Plan", and in shamanic context with something like a shaman.

i would only experiement with my counsciousness if i am in a healthy basis, but  if not, i would be carefull to lay my hands on my fragile mind.


would be nice if you could explain a little clearer whats the problem.
(or my english is too bad and i dont understand whats the point?)

MfGuybrush

[salviaalien]

hi well thanks for responding guybrush the thing is ya thing's were not all that great so i smoked salvia and was like "wow, its all so simple! everything's so great" very zen like then after that it wasn't all that great...like i lost touch with God....thte whole world rolled up andi disappeared with it but come backand now i'm wondering if salvia is the answer (again) to make things like before
 :oops:
Ayahuasca showed me that i've been eating myself like a cannibal its really hard to explain, like eating my own source of consciousness in my heart ever since the salvia; i just want to warp back to the right dimension

[Guybrush]

hm, i agree with you, that if something is changed in some way you could probably change it back with the same procedre.
but you should have in mind that it also is possible to give you another change in the same way then before. so in your words, you would shift some more dimensions away from where you want to go. =)

principaly i would not advise to do such a fast and shortacting plant (if smoked) to work on specific problems with your mind. for me this would not be a way to work with me. too fast i am in, and too fast i am out again.

i still dont know for sure what you mean with "wrong dimension",
if it is "only" a state of mind wich you want to change, or if it is a state wich is critical for your health. dont experiment with your health (mental or physical)
when the last try was so bad.
maybe it would be wise not to smoke salvia but to chew it?
heard that this is more "pleasant", or other words, it comes a bit slower and lasts a bit longer, maybe this yould be good if you have to do some intensive work with yourself?

MfGuybrush

[laughingwillow]

I think you should take a little break from doing drugs.

lw

[salviaalien]

thanks for your replies...
my friend she is going to heal me with Ayahuasca
she really sees this as the solution and i'm starting to too

[Guybrush]

@LW

yeah, that yould be a good idea too. =)

@alien
hope everything goes fine, whatever you decide to do.
remember that your psyche is a very sensible thing to psychedelic substances, and ayahuasca is that too, remember that by all the thoughts about ayahuasca as medicine.
if you feel that you need medical help, dont experiment too long with different techniques and drugs on yourself. that would be my advise.
i dont want to argue against aya with that, but im a little affraid that you will make the next bad experience and then blame the ayahuasca.


MfGuybrush

[salviaalien]

I tried Ayahuasca and i don't feel any better
but this lady is convinced that it will help me to be reborn
i don't know if i can trust her or not
she seems to act like she is the messenger of this medicine
which wiil make me reborn

[laughingwillow]

Help you to be reborn, eh? Does that include a new body and neurological system? I really doubt it.

Your talk about wanting to get back to other dimensions and being reborn is throwing up a red flag in front of me.

It sounds to me like you either have some psychological issues to work out or are living in a fantasy land of your own design. Either way, I don't see how doing more drugs would be the answer.

Matter of fact, this thread is goofey enough that I'm not sure you're not pulling our collective leg.

lw

[Guybrush]

what does "this lady" thinks about going to a "normal" doctor, to see whats wrong?
that would be interesting to get an image of "this lady", because i think its sometimes irresponsible to ignore "worldly" symptomes, and people who talk too much about rebirth, etc, are in my own opinion not so thrustworthy.
will she be responsible for you or what she does with you?
ask her that, and then think about how far you want to give your life in the hands of someone else.

this is not about to make this lady bad or something like this, but you are responsible for your life, so YOU have to decide if you want to try another "spiritual" healing-experience or if you take this problem on a genereal-medicine-way. but however you decide, YOU are the responsible person for any result of that, not that lady or ayahuasca or salvia.
so be sure that you are not trying to lay responsibility out of your hands.

im sure ayahuasca CAN be healthy for a lot of people and a lot of problems, but if someone tells me that this is definitaly guaranteed, i would turn around immediatly and go away.

i dont know.....i still dont get what your real problem is, you should explain that a bit more. like this it sounds real strange and a bit "new-age-freaky".
thats not really my world, but its ok if someone goes fine with that.
but maybe thats your problem, i know lot of people who try every new-age technique and system they find, and someday they are so confused and feel bad, and its hard to find out whats wrong because there are hundrets of different new-age systems in his/her head.
i think this is not really a funny game, this can be drive one to the edge and further, so be carefull with that if you ask me.

it would be nice if you tell a little detailed whats the problem. otherwise my only advise has to be to get real medical help.


MfGuybrush

[salviaalien]

yeah i don't trust that lady either she's over from the ayahuasca.com forums and i really needed a second opinion about it that's why i registered here under a different name...plus i got sick of the format there the colors are much nicer on this forum plus new people. Yeah she really said a bunch of things that i don't agree with like im a baby stuck halfway in the birth canal and the only way out is high doses of ayahuasca and she's the one to administer it...she told me she lives in a shack i think she just wants my money or to kill me because of the posts i left all over the ayahuasca forums...anyway i got in touch with a group and decided to do this with a group which i trust (heart of the initiate) so all's well...salvia sent me to a lower place instead of sending me higher to a high plane it just shot me down into oblivion and that of course makes me angry that i was dumb enough to try it...

[salviaalien]

and yet i still wanna try salvia again because i wanna shoot right up to a high plane of existence but i have a really good feeling about Ayahuasca, in the right setting and everything of course

[laughingwillow]

This is starting to sound like a movie trailer for an anti-drug propaganda flick, imo.

Drugs aren't going to take you anywhere. And there is no magic potion for spiritual growth.

If you smoked salvia and have felt prolonged negative effects since that experience, I'm not sure why you would expect the next time to be any different.

lw

[jikuhchagi]

Hmmm, if it looks like a troll, and sounds like a troll...?

But I'll bite.

salviaalien, the best advice for you has already been given. Stay away from the power plants for long enough for you to get your feet back on the ground. Continual blasting is going to do nothing but blast you further away from 'reality', whatever that is.

In the meantime, I used to be a moderator over at ayahuasca.com and hung out there for years. PM me the name of this lady and I'll check her out and let you know if I think she is legit. I have enough friends left still over there that should be able to corroborate it for me.

LW, three more days till PHIL!!!! I am jonezing my brother!