Salvia is going to be illegal

[dogbane26]

I think Salvia is going to be illegal in alot of places real soon.   Many states are passing bills that will go into effect.

I better trade with someone for a plant before that happens.

[Stonehenge]

I already have a lifetime supply of quality dried herb. It would be nice to have some plants too but we will see.

[salviaalien]

is it poison or is it medicine whotf knows
ruined my evolutionary process
took my family away from me
left me like a bum shitting ona cardboard box on the side of apartments
left my arms turning colors with a permanent grimace onmy face
filled up with black goo
unable to live, unable to die
dead walking the streets withouta soul
redefinition of living dead
please help me salvia goddess get me out of what you put me into
was never a plant worshipping basket-case
wtf happened to me
salvia ate me up and threw me away and left just a shell alive and don't care
an instant of time-warp cyber-enlightenment not worth a lifetime of hell
i want my brain back
swirly smoke came in and swooped into my brain and hit the off switch permanently
thanks a lot "Lady Salvia"

[Guybrush]

i dont want to get personal here,
but salvia is (like some other plants/subtances) a very strong, mind-bending, psychedelic substance. and you cannot go out and blame the plant or substance, if you have trouble THROUGH them.

at last, thats why it will be illegal. people play with it, and have bad experiences, and then go public with stories like "thanks ladie salvia, please get my brain back". thats really exact what the news want to show the world about this horrible "new" killerdrug.

see, i dont want to attack you, but you should think about who took the salvia (you) and who is responsible for that (you?)
the plant wasnt shouting "smoke mee pleaseeee" or ?
its hard to hear about your mess, i am real sorry for that, but in the human/plant relationship it should be clear where one stands, and what you tell sounds like the plant took you and smoked you, and now all is fucked up.


MfGuybrush

[jokergrin]

from a strictly biological standpoint, the plant wants you to stop eating/consuming it.  That's usually why plants let out chemicals...for protection.  So be careful.

[plantshaman]

It really is just the person . after hundreds of savlia uses i'm fine , i actualy view as extremely beneficial.nothing bad has ever happened , sometimes its a little weird but its usualy positive.l hallucinagens are not for everyone , especialy who don't respect their powerful potential. even the most seasoned travelers may find salvia to be scary at times.

[bendidyourmom]

Do you know if there are any plans to make Salvia Illegal in Ohio?

[Lucious]

from a strictly biological standpoint, the plant wants you to stop eating/consuming it.  That's usually why plants let out chemicals...for protection.  So be careful.

Or maybe it wants us to consume and propagate it all over the world.

[JRL]

Thats one thought on why these plants do what they do that I have entertained.

[SalviaDave]

I find it difficult to understand how states in the USA can pass laws making a religious/spiritual tool illegal. Does this not trample all over our right to freedom of religion and the practice there of?

[Amomynous]

Does this not trample all over our right to freedom of religion and the practice there of?

When you speak of rights, I assume you mean constitutional rights.

The rights spelled out in the constitution are not held to be absolute. One has freedom of speech, but one is not allowed to say anything. One has freedom of religion, but one is not allowed to practice it in just anyway they choose.  One has the right to life and liberty, but one can be arrested and jailed.

Nothing in the constitution is absolute. If it were, the Supreme Court would have a lot less to do.

The US government has claimed -- successfully in the courts -- that they no longer have to demonstrate a compelling state interest to negate a religious practice. The SCOTUS bought that argument, saying in essence that religious freedom was fairly limited.

The RFRA was passed after that which reestablished the compelling state interest test, but this is a piece of legislation that could be repealed at any time, should it become to inconvenient for those in power. Keep in mind that the two entheogen-using groups which legally use sacraments in the US -- the UdV and the NAC -- are both protected under the RFRA, and the courts have said that their use is not protected absolutely by the constitution. (In fact, the RFRA was passed in response to the SCOTUS saying that the NAC could legally be prohibited from using peyote.) With a stroke of the pen both groups could be made illegal fairly easily.