Ratdog

[jikuhchagi]

With the upcoming Ratdog/Allman Brothers show, I decided to check out some of the latest Ratdog stuff. I d/l the Bonaroo show and was listening to it today. Wow, they have come along way! I am impressed and psyched, although I am sure it will be a bit different with Steve Kimmock. I d/l some more recent shows but have yet to burn them. Anyone caught any recent shows?

[laughingwillow]

The Ioway show was solid.

I've read the redrocks gig the other night stood out. I plan on d/ling both.

You have any recent phil shows to boin, bro?

lw

[jikuhchagi]

I haven't heard any of the recent 'intimate' shows, but I plan on downloading them. I just ordered tix for Baltimore, so I am stoked for that, although it would be nice to add Charlotte and Chicago to the list... if the spirit is willing... :lol:

[VajraPirate]

I was actually quite impressed, not that I thought I wouldn't be or anything...

[jikuhchagi]

Ratdog rocked Nissan before the Allman Bros came out, but, uh, the Allman Bros.  blew them off the stage, quite frankly. It was a killer show. My only beef was that the sound just wasn't quite loud enough. WTF???

Check out the first four songs of the Ratdog setlist though... :lol:

Jam >
Truckin >
Crazy Fingers >
Playin in the Band >
Might as Well,
@Blackbird,
@Corrina >
Silvio > Tequila > Silvio >
West L.A. Fadeaway >
Iko Iko >
Stuff >
Knockin on Heaven's Door >
Playin in the Band (reprise) >
Sugar Magnolia

E: Johnny B. Goode

[JRL]

Maybe you are losing your hearing? Only sort of joking, do you guys use protection? My ears have taken quite a beating over the years even with my sporadic use of plugs. Nice song list. Kimock still on the band?

I love the current Allmans with Otiel and Derek Trucks, right?

[laughingwillow]

One problem I had with Bobbys' band is that they don't always get the volume right, imo. I've been to a couple of Dog shows where it just wasn't loud enough. Word was that Bobby wanted to protect his hearing.

However, the show varj and I caught last month was at a reasonable volume.

I don't use hearing protection at shows. But I'm a back-of-the-venue type guy.

lw

[JRL]

"What did he say>>>?  When TJ gets tired of me saying that she turns on the closed captions. Funny I always had you pictured in the 5th row in front of Phil.

I'm not sure what the house volume would have to do with stage volume, but ear damage is an issue for all the old timers I am sure.

[laughingwillow]

I'm guessing stage volume comes into play more in small venues, but what do I know.

Fifth row is where I spent most of my time when younger, but that's WAY too close for me now.  Matter of fact,one of the last show I prolly caught up in the first few rows was the first set of me first dead show.  (Second set I was lucky to stumble back 40-50 feet and ended up smack dab in the middle fo da phil zone.)  Front/next to sound board is where we gravitate when the crowds aren't too thick, but I usually end up behind the soundboard where the elbow room starts....

lw

[JRL]

I like being back enough to hear both sides of the stereo mix equally, and I like my elbow room. One of the keys to quality sound anywhere is low stage volume, if they can hear your amp in the house you are too loud and you take the control right out of the hands of the mixer.

The opposite  approach was the Wall of Sound which I was lucky enough to see and hear a couple times. I guess they had no house engineer, each person controled his own volume both instrument and voice. It sure worked, those shows still are the gold standard in my mind. the music had a physical presence without any harshness. The bass sounded huge!!!!It must have been a thrill to play through 48 JBL 15" speakers.

[laughingwillow]

Speaking of which...

I heard the other day that the dead show at the Iowa State fair Grounds right after the wall of sound was erected wnded up being the second longest dead show in the history of the band. (The longest apparently was the show before in california.)

Btw, jerry's fender twin put off a little sound from the stage....

lw

[JRL]

Well it was a bit more than a Twin, it was the preamp from a Twin, into a Macintosh into various cabs loaded with JBLs. And I'm sure you could hear it, but most of the people heard it from the FOH speakers.

[laughingwillow]

I really never ventured close enough at any dead show to hear what was coming off the stage from jerry, I'm guessing. But what about the Jerry shows in da small theaters?  

And if sound from stage is so minimal, why are mixes for live shows usually done remotely, outside the venue?

Justin Curious

[JRL]

You must be talking about the recording mixes, right? Because the house is mixed in da house, and the monitors are mixed on da stage usually.

I think any mixing done out of the venue would be to isolate the engineer from the house sound, so he could listen for problems that would get lost in the mix, recording engineers solo up tracks a lot, listen for pops, clicksm distortion ect.