SALVIA'S FINAL FATE?

[snyfin32]

What do you think will become of Salvia?

Key:

 
  [1]- adults only
  [2]- made totally illegal to use and own
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  [A]- in the next 1-2 years
  - in the next 3-4 years
  [C]- in the next 5-6 years
  [D]- between 7 years or never

[Syd]

I know Salvia will become illegal. It's inevitable. Although In the end alcohol prohibition didn't even work. Mark my words, drugs will be legal in the future. Just when will this glorious day be upon us? Not until the tyranny of what America is, falls.

[RifeHeretic]

Tyranny of America? Other countries have harsher drug laws where we are not involved

[Amomynous]

'tis true. While America has a pretty abysmal situation, it has no lock on the domain. Fer instance, there are many countries in which Salvia is already illegal, and this had nothing to do with American tyranny. As an invasive species, the flowers of tyranny are cosmopolitan.

I can think of one "modern," western democray that has outlawed Salvia, kratom, and even kava.

The thing about America is, it gets to be the Shadow (in Jungian terms) of other modern democracies. By focusing on it's obvious flaws, one gets to project one's own flaws outward.

[mconlonx]

I voted 18+ in 3-4 years. States aren't taking this up too quickly and the Feds still aren't moving on it. If states do get around to it, they are not doing it all on the same timetable. And when people fight it, bans lose.

Trouble is, I'm counting on people actually standing up in public for what they believe in. And in most cases, people let me down.

If a salvia ban is proposed in your state, you can fight it and win. If you don't fight it, no one else will do it for you and it will be banned.

As an optimist, I very much hope that regulatory (rather than ban) statutes, such as the one in Maine, provide a blueprint and example for resonable regulation and use standards that may be applied to other, currently scheduled entheogens. Like specifically marijuana, mushrooms, and peyote.

[cenacle]

Is there a single site that offers up to date legality information? I'd like to follow this more closely...

[mconlonx]

No, there is not one site with up to date info. Best you can do is hit erowid and sagewisdom for basic and historic legal info, then follow legality threads as they pop up on sites like this in the Salvia forum. Entheogen.com seems to have the most up to date threads.

[DrYRHead]

No, there is not one site with up to date info. Best you can do is hit erowid and sagewisdom for basic and historic legal info, then follow legality threads as they pop up on sites like this in the Salvia forum. Entheogen.com seems to have the most up to date threads.

People on the forums keep their eyes open for SD related news reports. Sagewisdon and Erowid tend to only get the info once it shows up at the forums.

[Vibys]

My vote goes for 2,a (illegal within the next 1-2 years) since it has alreadly been mentioned in the house of commons here in the UK, therefor someone in the house knows of it and it wont be long till word is spread.

[winder]

The DEA is looking at it.

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THE SALVIA DIVINORUM OBSERVER
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Saturday, July 21, 2007 / volume 5 number 14
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The Salvia divinorum Research and Information Center (SDRIC)
http://sagewisdom.org

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DEA MOVES TOWARDS SCHEDULING SALVIA DIVINORUM

I have been informed that the US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA)
recently initiated an Eight Factor Analysis of Salvia divinorum. The
Controlled Substances Act requires that this analysis be performed before a
substance can be scheduled as a controlled substance. The eight factors
considered are:

* Actual and potential for abuse
* Pharmacology
* Other current scientific knowledge
* History and current pattern of abuse
* Scope, duration, and significance of abuse
* Public health risk
* Psychic or physiological dependence liability
* If an immediate precursor of a controlled substance

Based on the results of the analysis, the DEA may recommend that Salvia
divinorum be scheduled as a controlled substance. This analysis will
probably take several months to be completed. I will provide further updates
here as more information becomes available.

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[Bushpig]

Cenacle,  erowid has a legeal status section for each herb listing.  Not sure how upto date it is kept, worth a look.


Boooshpig

[Salvia Sylvia]

I voted 1b..  not only is that my optimism, but from a truly logical standpoint also.  Because check it out...Salvia's been discovered since the early 1930's as a medicinal, sacramental and remidiole herb.  People didn't just start getting high on it, or using it to explore their higher awareness,  
These people who are against it are really not suffering with it remaining legal, nor will they suffer when it's banned for good..I however, will along with many others.  We are the ones who should be screaming.  Not them, so much.   I bet  the key is, to form another  consensus, and give congress another strong group of people to have to consider.  Only this group is fighting for the opposite.  Keeping it legal.  Congress is simply responding to one consensus, or the one that is loud enough to overcome the rest.  I am willing and ready to begin another one for them to have to listen to.  I bet it's the stronger voice once it speaks!!  I really think there's some spiritual ownership into this herb, as a sacramental and medical plant, above all.  Salvia Divinorum is getting the short end of the bargain by being banned.  I really think it's being treated as a "dangerous herb" and labeled as that by folks that are clueless, in half cases.  Hands down, it is a spiritual session, induced by an herb. In terms of harm and danger, this is a mild short term effect considering what we've got still legal on the market.  This needs to be left for adults to decide if they are mature enough to handle privately, respectfully, and spiritually.