Anti semitism in the psychedelic world

[JRL]

I have found this to be disturbingly common, enough to make me rethink my involvement in the movement.

I am not sure what the roots of this are. I know Art Kleps got increasling offensive in his later years, but he seems to be a forgotten man.

So what's up with this??

[Bushpig]

I dont know much in regards to Art Kleps, I do see a connection between psychedelic community and various counter culture  'zionist' theories, not read enough on that to beable to illustrate.

[Bushpig]

Dug up a few links, i've not read the 2nd on yet and I could do with re-reading:

http://www.rense.com/general75/zagend.htm

http://www.rense.com/general75/p2.htm


Theres loads more stuff there JRL, just goto rense.com and search about,

Boooshpig

[Bushpig]

Indeed, the racist behavior in chat tonight is not appreciated, the links above we in reponse b4 I had seen what was going on in chat properly.

[cenacle]

Missed what happened in chat. Sorry it upset people. JRL, don't like some fuck-head keep you from being part of things. The psychedelic ideal has NOTHING to do with racism, gender bias, any kind of bigotry or prejudice. Wherever that exists, we need to oppose it unflinchingly.

If the chat is being invaded by racists, that cannot stand. I hope it doesn't.

[senorsalvia]

Since I do not participate in chat, I have no pertinent comment concerning the goings on there..  That said, I find it really and truly saddening that here, in the ethno-community, we still are subjected to such utter bullshit....  Cen is on target JRL..  Though I can sympathize with your dismay, I gotta tell you that your place is definitely not  to turn away from idiocy....  The psychedelic community/movement is, in a way, just like any other....  Though one would hope our members are somewhat enlightened and encompassing, surely there will be the badly stinking, and rotten to the core apple in the barrel occasionally...  I say attack such retrograde behavior...  Shine the clear light of reason on such assinine modes of reasoning....  Sorry 'ya experienced this sort of crap "Mr. Bassman"         sal

[cenacle]

I have found this to be disturbingly common, enough to make me rethink my involvement in the movement.

I am not sure what the roots of this are. I know Art Kleps got increasling offensive in his later years, but he seems to be a forgotten man.

So what's up with this??

Joe--What else have you experienced personally? I'd really like to know what to keep an eye out for. I've not seen this kind of behavior but I want to find out what's going on from you...

[JRL]

I appreciate the support guys.

Let me just say this: for me it is really not about Zionism or the jewish religon per se, and I really resent being taken to task for these things. Did I ever say I was a Zionist or a practitioner of the religon? But neither of those facts changes my heritage, which I do feel a part of.

I hope this matter can be clarified.

[cenacle]

I'm just wondering what happened, Joe. I'd trust your account implicitly, but I don't know the details of what happened. Was it a chat regular or some new person making trouble? Also what else have you seen happening? I want to be aware of what crap you've been facing because I bet others are facing it too...

[Bushpig]

Sorry JRL, my links above were not trying to implicate you in such things at all, my reason was to try and offer some examples of counter culture theories involving anti-semitism and the jewish race, of which those links have nothing to do with the nonsesnse abuse you recieved the other day.

[judih]

yeah, sal. well said. There's always someone to take the opportunity to express hatred and bias when there's a captive audience. That's my experience in other chatrooms when i used to have a little more time in my online quota.

inevitable. It's like a moth attracted to a flame - you can't stop physics.
Where there's love, there's hatred.
When i was younger,  i'd reason with the proponents of hate. Often those who questioned were interested in my responses.

Those who chose to hate and stick to it, were unreachable. And if i was astonished, angry or upset, i'd leave and ponder the phenomenon. Well, the phenomenon exists.

Anti-semitism exists. Anti-Israel exists and Anti-peace exists.
It's hard to be open-hearted with someone who hates what they think i represent.

And what does psychedelia have to do with it? Psychedelia is a key to opening minds, dissolving barriers and seeing the energetic forces as potential for huge change and evolution. (am i wrong?)

Those who enter a new room of potential and whittle it down to a corner of preconception, under lock and key, have done nothing but to continue old boundaries and seduce others to join them in their blind limitations.

and well, i don't do chat anymore. So sorry to hear that you, JRL, had to experience this kind of attack. Cen, i hear you in your support. And you, bushpig.

Whether it's against women, the rich, the poor, the smart, the Western, the Eastern, the dead or the unborn, prejudice is a strange little appendix to our human history and it seems to be attached for the long-haul.

Let's keep it clean and hope it doesn't burst.

love,
judih

[JRL]

Judih, I was hoping to hear from you. Lots of wisdom there. I guess it's hard because SPF has endured long by internet standards with  a high signal to noise ratio. It's been quite an oasis.

And folks, don't think it's because I don't have a sense of humor, I mean lots of funny stuff, playing to or against various stereotypes. Jokes are one thing, but if it ain't funny it's not joke.

Piggers, I was not saying that you were making that leap, sorry if it came off like that.

Thank you guys.

[OBODAOUR]

Gah that is totally infuriating!!! We're supposed to be a safe friendly community where we can share and learn from/with one another. Then assholes like that come and try to screw everything up! Really sorry you had to experience this bs! This kind of hateful behaviour will not be tolerated!!!

Peace
ObOdAoUr

[JRL]

Thank you all for the support.

"I will not go quietly..."

[senorsalvia]

Those who enter a new room of potential and whittle it down to a corner of preconception, under lock and key, have done nothing but to continue old boundaries and seduce others to join them in their blind limitations.



Whether it's against women, the rich, the poor, the smart, the Western, the Eastern, the dead or the unborn, prejudice is a strange little appendix to our human history and it seems to be attached for the long-haul.

Let's keep it clean and hope it doesn't burst.

love,
judih

---------------------------------------------------------------            My my sis:  That rapier sharp scapel you use to carve out such eloquent and incisive words is such a wonderous thing........  Beautifully presented rebuttal.  Thank you so much.    To JRL, yeah, I can relate...  {rage against that dying of the light, and most certainly, do not go quietly)...sal