NLITE HORTICULTURAL GROW LIGHTS @ Spiritgarden.co.uk

[laughingwillow]

LOL Feel free to consider the bottom of the line hps/mh bulbs with the most shitty reflector and no CO2 added.

But I guess it doesn't really matter if all things are considered equally. We're only discussing the efficiency/effectiveness of the floro bulbs compared to HPS. The rest is just smokescreen, imo.

lw

[Bushpig]

A comparson can only be made IF the grow conditons measured for each of the lights IS THE SAME. Since I dont know what setup you have got, or what your parmeters are then I CANNOT advise on a comparison however as already stated the yield will be fractionally down but the quality way up, the nutrients and water will be lower and the electricity will be far lower.

Booooshpig

[Bushpig]

What lights are you using LW and what is your sq m for growth ?

Boooshpig

[laughingwillow]

I brought this question about HPS vs floros to a professional here in the U$ yesterday. He stated that many commercial growers here have switched to T-5 floros for vegging, but he knows of none who use them for flowering. Apparently the industry around here is still 10 years behind the times. And lumens do seem to still matter out here on the prairie.

Btw, boosh, by your questions, it appear you are putting up a smokescreen to cover a lack of product knowledge.......

lw

[RifeHeretic]

Bushpig has sent me photos which look very promising.

BP, are you saying that flowering can be done well with floros? It has been my understanding that plants flowered without the use of HID lamps would be inferior... though my knowledge is limited. Can flowering be done well with fluorescents or CFL?

[TroutMask]

Oh cool, I guess those there's no need to ever replace HID bulbs.

-TM

[laughingwillow]

troutie: That was what I was wondering. If the drop in lumens due to prolonged bulb use doesn't effect plant growth, then what exactly is it that's causing these four year old bulbs to preform so poorly as of late?

lw

[TroutMask]

If the drop in lumens due to prolonged bulb use doesn't effect plant growth, then what exactly is it that's causing these four year old bulbs to preform so poorly as of late?

The first thought that comes to mind is:

YOUR MOTHER

but besides that, I have no other reasonable explanation.

           

Sorry, we got some storks around here what's been getting us all mutha-fied.

-TM

[Bushpig]

Hi all, sorry didn't notice this post had sprung back into life after LW's silence.  My questions LW were not a smokescreen, they were an attempt to answer your enquiries.

Rifeheretic, yes flouro's have GREAT potential for flowering.  I must emphasise the abilitty to get these right down in the canopy, very close to plants like in the images you saw, they are not to be used like HPS.  We recommend PURpe for vegitation and red flouro for flowering.   superior results can be obtained.

[laughingwillow]

I'll repeat myself, then.... Professional american growers are not using these bulbs to flower and I doubt you have either, boosh. All I hear from you is a repeat of the company lines offered in the product info.

The main reason you keep those bulbs so close to the plants is that they have only a few inches of effective reach, imo. Anything six inches below the top of the canopy will suffer due to the lack of lumens.

lw

[VajraPirate]

Yep, you'd have to have them everywhere, in the foilage over it and under facing upwards also, it's the only way I could see to get enough light to everywhere at once.

So, who's gonna do the side by side experiment?

[Bushpig]

Hi

Canopies? ?  Should there even be a canopy LW ? Are we growing tree's? I would advise you check out some wild plants  I would also advise a revision of something called the 'inverse square law'.

And yes VPirate you are spot on !  Guesss what...flouro's are the only things you can get into these places,

Also in defence of 'stretchyness' that LW infered, Rife heretic,...the images you observed, did you see any, even the slightest degree of 'stretch' ?

Booooshpig

[RifeHeretic]

There was very little, if any. Though, BP, are you using these lights yourself? I'd like to see some High resolution pictures.

Maybe I'll put a couple on my christmas list

[Bushpig]

Sure Rife, atm no can do as I dont have any ( the ones you saw were not mine ) +  im moving some things around but when I do you I will do a proper diary style.  Will keep you posted.

BP

[laughingwillow]

LOL so the truth comes out. You are spouting the company line and nothing more, boosh. If you knew the product you are hawking, there would be no need for most of the smokescreen spread above.

As I mentioned above, stretch isn't the problem with these bulbs. (According to a professional in the know.)They reportedly veg just fine. The problem is fluffy flowers/fruit. We call it "wispy" around these parts. Stuff enough of them in your grow and it should work out.

And thanks for the vocabulary lesson. Etoilation, eh? I finally figured out that you have been attempting to shame me for using the term "stretch" earlier in the thread. You duh pro, bro.

Btw, yeah, I DO grow trees. At least compared with what you will get from your planet saving, low lumen spouting floros you're trying to peddle to the people, imo.

lw