tropacocaine...... the more you eat, the more you toot

[Avery L. Breath]

Quote from some guy named Otto's(?) book description Thc & Tropacocaine from an online book store: Tropacocaine was discovered as a trace alkaloid in Coca leaves from Java. It is longer acting and less toxic than cocaine. Tropacocaine is prepared from atropine obtained from nightshade plants: .

A net search turned up that it is specifically found in the roots of the Atropa bella-donna L.   (among, I imagine quite a few other nasties)

Tropacocaine i.e. (3b benzoyloxytropane)

Another place claimed it was one of the "DRUGS TESTED BY THE CIA UNDER PROJECTS
 BLUEBIRD, ARTICHOKE, MKULTRA, AND MKDELTA:"  ..... these guys,
http://www.hackcanada.com/ice3/wetware/ ... g_list.txt

And uhm, "Java Coca contains tropacocaine and four yellow crystalline glucosides in addition to the other constituents."
http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh ... 8.html#con

...... from there my searches went down hill.
These guys refferenced it in The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave by Fritz Springmeier & Cisco Wheeler.......
http://www.whale.to/b/sp/3.html


Anybody ever here of this tropacocaine?

[Jacko]

Specific alkaloid isolation is not a kitchen chemist operation though .  That is, you're not going to be able to isolate something like this from a tropane containing plant mass with a simple A/B without dragging along a lot of other alkaloids.

[Avery L. Breath]

Good point.  Was curious for purely academic reasons myself.  ......that first fellow I quoted (Otto)  Seemed to think it was as effective as cocaine and could easily be synthesized from atropine......... but thats more of the minds of busy bee's than me.  was just curios about it.  Sounds novel!

[Avery L. Breath]

Found this on the lycaeum.......

http://forums.lycaeum.org/cgi-bin/kil/f ... ne.gif.gif

[Avery L. Breath]

Well I picked up that book by Otto Snow 'THC & Tropacocaine'

Has a very impressive Table of contents........ looks like a good book, but way over my head mostly.

Anywhoo, back to my original question, Tropacocaine. Benzoyl-pseudotropeine. C8H14ON.C7H5O.--This compound, belonging chemically to the class of tropeines was isolated by Geisel from a narrow-leaved coca plant from Java.  It was obtained as an oil, which when quite dry solidifies into radiating crystals, exc. exc. exc.  Tropacocaine resembles cocaine in it's stimulant action upon the nerve centers and also in its local anesthetic action.  It differs however from cocaine in that it does not cause local constriction of the blood vessels and that it has very little influence on the pupils.  It has been used cheifly in the so-called spinal anesthesia exc. exc. exc.

[Stonehenge]

I heard some native australian species contain tropacocaine. I'm not sure if the amounts are worth bothering with or not.

[gnrm23]

used to be  a KY chem-vendor (raven science?) who had a list of available products which included tropacocaine...
this was back in ummm the early 80s (?)...
i wish i had ordered some of the stranger stuff from his catalog(s) back in the day...
wonder if any gray-market vendors (yeah, right) carry it...
(hello, fisher? mallinkroft? k&k fine chemicals?)

[Freddie]

cool

[byrooon]

It's far easier to make ethylcocaine (AKA cocethylene), which is reported to be 1.5X stronger than cocaine and somewhat "hallucinogenic."

Comparison of the reinforcing and anxiogenic
effects of intravenous cocaine and cocaethylene
by
Raven MA, Necessary BD, Danluck DA, Ettenberg A
Department of Psychology,
University of California,
Santa Barbara, 93109, USA.
Exp Clin Psychopharmacol 2000 Feb; 8(1):117-24

ABSTRACT
People report that ethanol improves the experience produced by cocaine. This effect may be attributable to cocaethylene (CE), a cocaine metabolite formed only in the presence of ethanol. To test this, rats were trained to run an alley for a single intravenous dose of either cocaine (0.5-2.0 mg/kg) or an equimolar dose of CE (0.75-2.88 mg/kg). The rats' start latency and running speed measured the reinforcing effects of the drugs and the number of times rats approached but failed to enter the goal box (i.e., approach-avoidance retreats) indexed anxiety. Rats reinforced with CE had shorter start latencies and faster running speeds and exhibited fewer "retreats" than cocaine-reinforced rats. These results suggest that CE is more reinforcing and less anxiogenic than cocaine and hence may account for the combined effects of cocaine and ethanol in humans.

//http://cocaine.org/cocawine.htm

[Bongo]

Hey, I think I know some of those rats.
They didn't by any chance have a liking for gin and tonic & were lawyers by profession were they? :lol:

[JRL]

hmmmmm

Q: How many musicians does it take to change a light bulb?

A: 2- One to screw it in, one to chop the cocaethylene.

PS. and you know that notion.........

[Stonehenge]

Is tropacocaine or cocaethylene legal? I would think they'd get you under analogue act but who knows?

BTW, great avatar, Avery.

[Avery L. Breath]

Tropacocaine is schedule II

Never really heard of cocaethylene before, was kinda waiting for some elaboration on that one myself.

[LizJah]

http://cocaine.org/cocaethylene.htm

[gnrm23]

well, i know that i used to shock my friend J by asking for a shot of some nice booze to scrape my lines into, hehheh...
but i must admit that i haven't found the secret (yet ) to making a tasty and effective ethanolic extract of coca leaf, either as a high proof sippin'  liquer or as a fortified wine (a la vin mariani)...