Shamans Golden Strain:?

[Bongo]

But you sure seem to be looking to give these people an out.
Imo, all of the niose you have created concerning a belief that we'd offended Venessa only leads me to conclude that you are either more naive than I at first believed, or possibly less.....
lw

LW: I simply thought and still think right now, that the woman should be allowed to state her case fully, after which if it is suspect, I would be there with the rest of you calling it BS.
What is the point in prematurely blowing you cookies, then contacting the person for more information? That and that alone is the point I was trying to make.
Doesn’t that sound a reasonable attitude to take especially after someone on the board invited her over here to explain things?
I really do not care for the way you are implying that I am somehow in cahoots with or at very least have a vested interest in these vendors or eBay.
That is overreacting to the max as I have never ever tried to sell a cutting, plant or plant material to anyone, let alone on eBay.

[TooStonedToType]

LW "... also find it interesting that the person who allegedly was the most disrespectful, tstt, has since exchanged communications with Vanessa. Her reaction was much less volatile than yours... "  Yea really.  

LW - Bongo appearanly has issues with me other than my timing.  Which happens to be impecable!  When is the correct time?  The correct time to pull out such heavy skeptism as saying something sounds like bs?  I'd say it is just after someone suggests to others they buy the suspected product.

Please stop Bongo: you've stated your supposed issue with me in this thread, many times.  If there is something else start a new thread.

..."I have never ever tried to sell a cutting, plant or plant material to anyone, let alone on eBay."

Well except for here and that lemonni thread.  I don't have it anymore, but didn't you say you were in japan so you were hoping someone would buy one from the guy, you KNEW he was honest as you bought a $5 plant etc.?  

BTW:  Nothing is stopping vanessa from stating her case fully.  She's a member here and all she has to do is type and push the submit button.  Maybe you scared her away with your lack of patience.  Shamans hate that.

[laughingwillow]

Bongo: You think I'm over reacting, eh?

I'm just atempting to help you understand how the situation could be construed and offering you the opportunity to clarify certain impressions I've received from your posts in this thread.

Btw, If Vanessa didn't feel slighted enough to break off the discussion by the initial doubt expressed by members of this community, I wouldn't expect your blowing the situation out of proportion to effect her participation.

On the other hand you do seem to be doing your best to give the shaman and company an easy out, bro.  :lol:

lw

[laughingwillow]

quote bongo: The Vendor certainly sounds to have good intentions in providing all the information she did. Ok, who is going to be the first to try one?
Jupe sounds like a good candidate to me.

Bongo: You certainly sounded eager to promote an item for sale to me. Thats called shilling, btw. It has its own term as it is a common component of many scams. Rereading the thread, you appear to be the only one so easily convinced by the vendors in question. But you attempt to convince others to buy first. Hmmmmm......

Btw, don't worry, I know you are no bone fide shill. The real deal would have prolly stepped up to the plate stating an intention to purchase the product in question from the above vendors in order to instill confidence in the heard being fleeced.

lw

[TooStonedToType]

No Bongo ain't no bonafide shill.  More of an unwitting shill.

All is not lost in this sad tale - the buyer emailed me.   He applied for membership here and should be posting after he gets the plant.  Monday or so.

[senorsalvia]

 :wink: ---  And so, the saga continues:  I'll be interested to hear what the buyer has to say, AND I am patiently awaiting further info from Vanessa...  Until then I remain mildly skeptical, yet hopefully optimistic--------   senorsal--------

[Aneurysm]

Perhaps a board policy of not posting about things on Ebay would be a way to avoid future threads that are rife with all this bickering.  Besides, I thought it was general board consensus that Theatrum Botanicum was a rather reputable seller.  So who needs Ebay?  

BTW:  Anyone ever purchase Luna from them, they've been out of it for the longest time.

As for the fertility/lost pollinator/progation issue, has anyone ever considered that the reason why the seeds don't work is that the plant is being progated by plant cuttings?  The seeds could be an emergency means of propogation, whereas breeding by cuttings could have evolved over the centuries of symbiotic relationship with the indigenous peoples.  I'll be the first to admit that it's somewhat of a far fetched theory, but just remember: Nothing propogates a plant like facinated humans.

[laughingwillow]

aneurysm: Interesting. But I'm afraid that your logic concerning the reason for the seeds being unviable escapes me.

Its almost like saying that a vehicle needs fuel to run because of a depencency caused when it was fueled up the first time......  

lw

[Green2Herman]

A lot of plants have flowers partly or full without any function. Most of these plants are plants created by humans, especially the last years, mostly for ornaments.

[Jupe]

aneurysm: Interesting. But I'm afraid that your logic concerning the reason for the seeds being unviable escapes me.

Its almost like saying that a vehicle needs fuel to run because of a depencency caused when it was fueled up the first time......  

lw

haha that reminds of my first experiences with evil synthetic "you know whats" ...took awhile to shut the darn motor off...made me go get more fuel all the time....middle of the night..morning, noon,  haha.........

  Any news from Shamans Palace?

[laughingwillow]

On a more serious note, I'm guessing that sally would have probably fallen by the evolutionary wayside long ago if not for its medicinal properties. The plant had been relegatged to a small area in central mexico for the most part, seemingly due to a finicky nature and the lack of an ability to propagate by seed. And its these same medicinal properties which have caused man to gain enough interest worldwide to prolly insure the viability of the plant at least for the time being. But the special properties of the plant have helped as much or more as the ability to clone easily, imo.  

lw

[Jupe]

also, consider that  its enviornment may be changing for the last  100,000 yrs or so...becoming wetter(favoring rooting) or drier and sun
(favoring flowering)...I don't know,hmmmmm that discussion can go either way, salvia roots so well that it literally follows water.  But where it grows(see pics)http://www.salviaphotos.com/index.htm
SalviaPhotos.com it seems to be very competitive,  small plants don't seem to grow well underneith it( see ....it may produce its own alleopathic compounds, like chapparal does,(white and black sages do this) which prevent other plants from growing.  Its human usage history seems murky,at least prior to 500 yrs or so..... thanks to the spanish, but it really could be a relatively new home cultivar.
 On that note... I'm still amazed by the difference between Luna and ALL others.....Luna's really seem like a different plant. That "sport" popped up in just 20 yrs or so....maybe the plant does this regularly?  I keep looking arond base of plants....and will go through flowers this year a little more carefully than previous years.  ......OK just some babbeling, hope everybodys plants are growing like crazy in these long summer un-Mazatec like locations!!!! :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

[winder]

Perhaps lack of changing environment is why Salvia has successfully shed itself of the energetic burden of having to diversify by means of seeds.  If the environment is steady in terms of pests, disease, and climate, then variability serves no purpose.  Seed production is burdensome to a plant.

I wouldn't be surprised that there is a shady damp area that salvia likes that is so invariate that each year is like the others, more so than the desert areas that cacti favor and certainly moreso than the widely varying climates that many evergreens tolerate.

Edited since my phrasing and typing has been for crap lately; look how many edits it took.  And now I have messed with Dendro's quote.  Tee hee.

[dendro]

"I wouldn't be surprised that there is shady damp area that salvia likes that so invariate that each year is like the others, more so than the desert areas that cacti favor and certainly moreso than the widely varying climates that many evergreens tolerate."

sounds like the leafy patch outside my kitchen window  :wink:

[TooStonedToType]

No word from our locust eating shaman.  

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Note from purchaser:

Hi It seems this person got a lot of problems. the
last bunch of people who puchased from her did not get
the item they won in the auction I being one of them.
It seems she had some dort of problem people are
writing to ebay about it. She has not replied to any
emails including mine. It may be a lost cause. I'll
let you know if thew situation changes.

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