Shamans Golden Strain:?

[TooStonedToType]

You got a problem Bongo?  If so take it somewhere else.  I haven't commented yet, but this isn't the first time you've posted about suspected things on ebay and suggest other's buy them.  That isn't cool.  If you trust this lady so much, you don't think it sounds like complete bs, you think in six years they can turn over generation after generation of seed (ignoring the fact it takes 6 months or so to get one mature plant from seed) go buy your own plant and prove everyone wrong.  Did you read the Botany of Salvia Divinorum - the barrriers to fertility and what about the co-evolved pollinators?  You think they can't find a pollinator that evolved with salvia in mexico, but somehow a moth found in OK is the pollinator for this plant?  Vanessa has made some extraordiary claims, that demand extraordinary evidence and skeptism.

[Bongo]

You got a problem Bongo?  If so take it somewhere else.  I haven't commented yet, but this isn't the first time you've posted about suspected things on ebay and suggest other's buy them.  That isn't cool.  If you trust this lady so much, you don't think it sounds like complete bs, you think in six years they can turn over generation after generation of seed (ignoring the fact it takes 6 months or so to get one mature plant from seed) go buy your own plant and prove everyone wrong.

What the fuck are you talking about? Why would I be trying to get people to buy anything off ebay.  Ok, what was it, I was trying to get people to buy off ebay ? Are you going to back that statement up?

[TooStonedToType]

hmmmm...try page 2 of this thread:

"The Vendor certainly sounds to have good intentions in providing all the information she did. Ok, who is going to be the first to try one?
Jupe sounds like a good candidate to me."

[Bongo]

hmmmm...try page 2 of this thread:

"The Vendor certainly sounds to have good intentions in providing all the information she did. Ok, who is going to be the first to try one?
Jupe sounds like a good candidate to me."

That was an obvious joke! Jupe allready has more than enough plants.
You got a poker up your ass there TSTT or what?

[TooStonedToType]

Please no personal attacks.  Read winders post above.

Your joke is not obvious nor funny.  You started this thread and suggest others buy her plants.  Not cool.  Like I said.

[Bongo]

Please no personal attacks.  Read winders post above.

Your joke is not obvious nor funny.  You started this thread and suggest others buy her plants.  Not cool.  Like I said.

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[Jupe]

.........I'm going to be catching some moths, I think they like my plants.

E-Bay here I come!!!  super rare pollinator moths....or maybe worms

Bongo and I have a good-fun joking relationship that goes back away, so there is "no harm , no foul", it was an obvious joke.....

.......In fact, the way he has been posting pictures of mops and dustbrushes on other forums, I am afraid something may be happening to his brain!!!!    

Lighten up everybody.....we'll just wait for Vanessa to speak up eh?

[laughingwillow]

What? You no read english ver' good, bongo?

I've learned a lot about salvia in this thread. For that I'm thankful.

You would appear to have much  to learn about/from scammers, man. All we've heard on the topic so far has been from a person who claims to possess very limited knowledge on the subject at hand. The shaman has the answers and he has yet to post here. Rather, we've received vague second hand observations, quotes and suppositions from the third party mentioned above. If the person truly feels attacked by the posts above to the point of not participating in the conversation, I prolly would have to posit that critical/scientific reasoning just wasn't her forte. At that point, we are left with a secret salvia breeding program; the first truly successful venture of its kind in the modern world. One that sells Its wares on ebay.

I'm willing to bet we haven't heard the first or last from the good shaman.

But if we don't hear more, I'll be left to conjure my own images of a slightly mad shaman working feverishly in a greenhouse lab filled to the  glass rafters with a host of brand spanking new sally strains just waiting to be named and then sold on ebay. I'll forever be left with an image of this bearded, locust eating fellow pausing his work only long enough read a thread on the internet and to become offended by a skeptic who had the audacity to label the initial claims as b.s., of all things. "B.S.?" the shaman  fumes. "I'll show those unbelievers!" With that the good shaman slams shut his wireless ibook and severs all communication with the outside world for another six years; surfacing only periodically to sell a plant or two for the low price of $16.95.....

But seriously, I'm willing to bet Vanessa and the shaman have a life beyond the net and that we will hear from these talented people when time allows.

lw

[laughingwillow]

quote bongo: That was an obvious joke! Jupe allready has more than enough plants.

Well, the above logic escapes me. If jupe has a large sally collection, I fail to see how the above statement was an ovbious joke. Matter of fact , any fellow with a large collection would prolly be the best bet to get ot bite on the ebay deal posted in this thread, imo.

Btw, I also seem to remember you or maybe someone else bringing ebay deals to the community in the past. I do remember a shady ebay deal getting posted and later deemed to be a scamor something similarly shady if'n I remember correctly.....

lw

[winder]

Jokes bewteen two members of the community that are understood by one another should be clear to the rest of the readers.  Use the smilies to the left of the composition window would allow more of the readers to be in on the joke.

Then maybe there will be fewer misunderstandings that are not helping us get anywhere.

Just an idea.

[laughingwillow]

Shucks, winder, could we possibly get anywhere without misunderstandings occuring? I'm guessing not. Misunderstandings can be integral to real communication/searching/learning, imo.

From chaos, order, but then we're back in that damnable chaos again.
From order, chaos and then we're lucky to be back to order once again.

We can calculate averages, plotting a straight line, attempting to live the anticeptic life a scientific lab entails, but emotional reality follows the waves up and down. The only thing straight about that line, imo, would be the water that divides a glass from being both half-empty and half-full......

lw

[Bongo]

Hey, LW...Knock off the crap here man.
And, yes...I did previously mention the lemony strain that was on ebay.
I mentioned that because the Salvia farm was the place I got my first plants from at $5:00 each. Sound like a rip off to you then does it?

[laughingwillow]

LOL quote bongo:  What the fuck are you talking about? Why would I be trying to get people to buy anything off ebay. Ok, what was it, I was trying to get people to buy off ebay ? Are you going to back that statement up?

quote bongo: And, yes...I did previously mention the lemony strain that was on ebay. I mentioned that because the Salvia farm was the place I got my first plants from at $5:00 each. Sound like a rip off to you then does it?

Btw, a scam doesn't necessarily have to be a rip-off. Finding buyers is often all some vendors are looking for.

You going to throw me the debil eyes, too, bongo?  :wink:

Back to the real topic at hand..... If sally fails to set seed due to a disease, then virtually every plants of this species is affected. I'd like to hear the opinions of peeps with experience creating hybred plants. I can imagine using pollen from sally to seed a host and then developing a strain with the second plants (intact) reproductive organs, breeding for sal-a content.  Subesquent generations could focus on sal-a production from plants able to accept pollen.

lw

[Bongo]

[quote="laughingwillow"

Btw, a scam doesn't necessarily have to be a rip-off. Finding buyers is often all some vendors are looking for.

lw[/quote]

Yeah, and I wasn't trying to get anyone to buy the lemony strain either, I was simply informing the board that they were claiming they had a new strain as I just did on this board. So what is the big deal you fucking idiots?

[laughingwillow]

There is no big deal, bongo. That has been the point all along. You have been  overreacting through out this entire thread, imo. And it continues.....

But your argument concerning an opinion that a scammer would never visit a site such as ours after being questioned struck me as faulty. I saw no such pressure to deter a scammer from stopping by and polishing a pitch. However, when the community turns out to be more informed than the average pidgeon is when I would expect a scammer to slink away.

I also find it interesting that the person who allegedly was the most disrespectful, tstt, has since exchanged communications with Vanessa. Her reaction was much less volatile than yours, bongo, and she was the attacked party by all accounts. But you sure seem to be looking to give these people an out.

Imo, all of the niose you have created concerning a belief that we'd offended Venessa only leads me to conclude that you are either more naive than I at first believed, or possibly less.....

lw