Shamans Golden Strain:?

[winder]

Sensor:

If you could cover your plants with a bottle of hot water underneath the cover they may make it though.

I am thinking like a 1 gallon water bottle filled with the hottest water out of the tap and a clear painter's plastic drop cloth.

Another option instead of the water might be a light bulb (incandescent, not fluoroscent) under the cover.

[senorsalvia]

Have no heat   have no electricity   senorsal

[Jupe]

geez winder....stole the words outa my mouth....!!!good job....
Senor Salvia:
   the lightbulb tent is the quaranteed way, 100 watt bulb in an enclosed space gets pretty warm, so you have to experiment a bit.  but if you can't get power outside.....other options are as Winder mentioned.

  wind is also a help in these situations,(think of the fans in the Fla.and Ca. orange groves for mixing the air)  The coldest areas are at ground level during short frosts and freezes.  We have the same conditions here, even moving plants 6 ft high can add enough warmth to save them.

oops just saw your post....sounds like an outside patch allright....OK ..Campstove?  haha..sleep next to them under tent?  Seriously, mulch should help a bit, its really how long the freeze lasts....and they are supposed to be able to  freeze at the top but warmer roots will make it..  I dug up my squashed plants and was pretty surprised by how many shoots were "formulating their intent" about 1 foot below ground level.

[winder]

Can you get hot water bottles to the place?

Surely, there is some place you have access to with hot water.
The tricky part may be to get the water bottles to the outdoor plants while it is still hot.  An ice-chest and towels might help keep the water warm if you have a commute.

Or are you planting an outdoor grove? - Sensor Salvia Seed, not Johnny Appleseed.

If so, I commend your efforts, as this is one excellent way to deal with legislative threats - ditch sage.

[space]

Hello I have just taken a look at the site it looks interesting. I went ahead and registered and as soon has some administrator approves me I will be happy to respond to the questions
Thanks for letting me know about the site

Shamans Ridge

Hey, how about that?  Sometimes communication just flat out works.

[shamansridge]

Hello
First I would like to say thanks to Space for inviting me to join this forum. It looks very interesting. I hope to be able to answer any questions you might have about our nursery and maybe even help with some of the other questions.
Such as senorsalvia’s temporary cold issue. If you have been made aware or suspect that there is going to be such a temperature drop you can take and build a tent over the plants the easiest way is to take a tomato cage and place it around the plant or some bamboo then a old blanket or piece of canvas can be used. Just place some old wood pieces or rocks around the edge to hold it secure.  Do NOT USE PLASTIC it will conduct the cold very quickly to the plant where ever it touches it and will allow condensation to cool the environment inside as well.  In addition it will heat up very quickly and in a strong sun can kill your plant just as fast as the cold. The tent should hold in more than enough heat for the short time you have described but a old 2 liter bottle of warm water will take it through a longer period if needed.
Now on to the questions I remember about the Shamans Golden strain.
Shamans Golden is a strain developed here at Shamans Ridge Nursery to take care of a number of desires by local Salvia enthusiasts.
The primary traits we were looking for are

1.   Heat resistance to stand up to our high temp summers here in eastern Oklahoma
2.   Resistance to pests
3.   Cold resistance
4.   Decreased humidity dependence

This breed was a very long time coming it took us six years to get it where we wanted but most that have worked with it believe it was worth the wait.
I am not familiar with the chicken diaper sketch? So I am really uncertain how to respond to that one. Could someone enlighten me on that.

Hmmm we grow both patchouli and a number of varieties of basil and I myself don’t think it looks anything like either but viewpoints are always a matter of perspective  
I am not familiar with the andromeda plant so cant really comment. The reason not a lot of people have heard about it is because there are not a lot of people with access to it we sold out early last year and only sold a few of them on eBay. And of those bought on ebay 4 were picked up by repeat buyers who were very satisfied with them,  And wanted to share them with their friends.
The idea of a scam is a sensible one of course there are a lot of people selling various things with lots of different claims its always a good idea to seek out more information and buy from credible honest sellers with a history of good customer service. I will be happy to answer
any other questions and provide additional pictures. We grow quite a variety of ethno botanicals many of which we may not be selling but can answer questions about

well enough for now I think hopefully I have answered the questions if I missed one please let me know
Thanks
Vanessa
Shamans Ridge

[Jupe]

"Shamans Ridge said......
Now on to the questions I remember about the Shamans Golden strain.
Shamans Golden is a strain developed here at Shamans Ridge Nursery "  

   Hey Shamansridge, thanx for responding and joining. We're pretty sceptical here about people claiming new varieties and strains.....just so you understand that. Many here, myself included, have been growing Salvia for years.

 My only questions would be...........
 
1. How did you "develop" your strain?

2.  What variety of salvia did you "develop" it from?

[Bongo]

The BIG question is, do the leaves contain Salvorin A?
And if so, has this been verified with testing of the leaves?

[shamansridge]

Hello Jupe

       1.  How did you "develop" your strain?

 That’s a fair question requiring a rather long answer but to put it as briefly as I can we took the
seed from the best plants in our breeding section.  Repeatedly over what turned into a long period
we grew the plants to maturity over and over again looking for the attributes we were seeking.
Those plants that had characteristics we were looking for were moved into the breeder section to
Ensure pollination of only the chosen breeders. The seeds from salvia d are extremely inefficient
In that they have such a poor germination rate usually less than 1/3 would produce seedlings and
Of those roughly ¼ would fail to survive into mature plants then it was a matter of testing for
salvinorin A content which varied considerably from very poor to mediocre to a few with strong
content. So after almost 6 years of rejecting all but a few plants from each set maintaining clones of
each to produce many clones to try to improve pollination results we ended up with the strain we
now refer to as Shamans Golden due to its coloring and the fact that it cost us quite a bit in actual money
to get to it.(testing fees, greenhouse maintenance and other not considerable costs which we hadn’t thought
about in the beginning.) The point of all this was to be completely honest a experiment by my husband (the Shaman)
to see if he could. We have at any one time a variety of plants, which he is attempting to breed for similar reasons.
Simply put its his greatest joy working with these plants seeing just how far he can push things and to see what
He can come up with.  We have a strain which is practically devoid of salvinorin but looks pretty that he has
maintained  for some time.  I hope this answers that question and now for the next

  2.  What variety of salvia did you "develop" it from?

The plant was developed from a Blosser clone and a number of plant samples brought back from Mexico
When he went down to look at the Las Ruinas cave system. (Its pretty much impossible to take him anywhere
Without coming home with some plant samples)  

I hope this answers those questions for you.
Thanks
Vanessa
Shamans Ridge Nursery

[Bongo]

The Vendor certainly sounds to have good intentions in providing all the information she did. Ok, who is going to be the first to try one?
Jupe sounds like a good candidate to me. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[space]

Thanks for joining us, V. and for taking the time to answer questions.

Many of here are devoted to cultivating sacred plants, and I am sure everyone want to know one thing in particular:  how did you manage to develop a new strain?  Salvia D. is notoriously difficult to get to seed--we're all wondering how you got enough variability to select for those traits.  Alternatively, I suppose one could look for wild stands in environments that matched the requirements you sought.

I hope you'll stick around for more than this thread.  When we're not spiritual, we're sometimes smart; when we're not smart, we're sometimes amusing; and when we aren't amusing, we're usually sorry later

[TooStonedToType]

This sounds like a complete line of BS.  The lady admits the plant is practically devoid of salvinorin a.  I would suspect it is completely devoid of salvinorin a as this is not a salvia divinorum plant.  To get plants to seed once is extremely rare.  To claim they have a breeding program is unbelievable.

Oh, and if someone is breeding what they consider to be desirable traits of this plant and are breeding out what I consider the most desirable trait of this plant, the salvinorin a, and are calling themselves a shaman, I would really question their intentions.

Are you sure there are not chicken diapers for sale on that ridge?

Who tested the salvinorin content?  Where are the results?

[space]

Guess I missed the above posts when I posted my reply above...still reacquiring the knack of keeping up.  

Seems a little harsh, TSTT, when the lady responded to an invite to Q&A about the strain, rather than aggressively spamming the forum for sales.

If indeed the strain is salvinorin-deficient, she doesn't seem to be trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes about it; and it doesn't sound like she means to suggest that low levels of salvinoirin were a goal.

It wasn't clear to me that the strain essentially devoid of salvinorin was the strain dubbed Golden, since she referred to several:  clarification would be good.  

I'm not interested in a strain of Sally devoid of salvinorin either, but I would very much like to hear more about their methods and results before making any judgments.  If it is total BS, I'm glad we have a chance to examine it here and see through it.

I'm not endorsing anything:  I never heard of the strain or the vendor before the original post here.  But it seems like a little more conversation wouldn't hurt...

[laughingwillow]

Naw, ttst, you are reading the first part wrong, imo. Thet seem to be breeding more than one strain of sally.

But I also get a little curious when a sally breeding program from seed is mentioned as an aside. Imo, that would be the big news out of OK.......

lw

[Jupe]

thanx Vanessa for the reply....The pollination aspect is what many of us here are sceptical of.  As far as I have heard, no one has ever gotten any seeds from their plants, let alone getting them to turn into plants.   Any tips?  do you have those special Hummingbirds  in Ok.?
  It sounds like you also have another strain which has no salvinorin, in addition to the golden strain?

Bongo: I can't get on Ebay or Yahoo now for about two weeks......virus check comes up clean, system ok.......got no clue.....

ps I always wanted to name a strain "Golden Belle"   just 'cause I liked the sound.