DC (?) seeds up for grabs

[cunningplatypus]

Aloha XandX,

I completely disagree with you about AJ's products - I think he's got some of the best, unique botanical products out there now. I've gotten several types of caapi seeds from AJ, as well as these Diplo seeds. All have had great germination rates.

I didn't find damping off to be any more of a problem with his seeds than with any other. I personally use a water and diluted H2O2 on many of my seeds and seedlings, and this seems to keep the fungus et al. down to a minimum. With the Diplo seeds, I'd say it's vital to use something as an anti-fungal, as they take so long to germinate.

Obviously, there is some luck of the draw with any seeds, regardless of their origin, mostly to due to timing. If your seeds are old, your germination rate is going to be low, no matter how you baby them. AJ's seeds and plants are sent straight from Peru, so that right there cuts out some lag time.

Also, understand that AJ was selling and trading seeds with folks long before he set up his website. He/they obviously have a passion for these fantastic plants; he doesn't strike me as  in it just for the money.

Just my two cents, but I'd order from AJ anytime.
   
Best,
Cunning Platypus

[ayahuasca-journey]

hola chicos de vuelta a casa despues de unas vacaciones por la selva de mi pais....primero agradecer por las buenas palabras sobre mis productos de los miembros que confiaron en AJ siempre soy una persona que me esmero en hacer las cosas bien ya que todo entra por los ojos.... y es mas si se trata de plantas shamanicas, y tambien agradecer a las personas que no pudieron comprar mis prodcutos debido a la duda y desconfianza de mi persona... quiero aclarar que no estoy para estafar ni para engañar a nadie, soy consciente del valor que tiene ahora cada semillas, cada planta amazonica  en especial la controvertida, exquisita y famosa planta  DIPLOPTERYS por sus propiedades sicoaptivas fuertes que cualquier otra planta, producto a ello los que tuvieron la suerte de comprar mis semillas y crecer sus plantas lo probaran y sacaran sus conclusiones  lucky friends!
dentro de muy poco estare con fotos nuevas de plantas muy interesantes para los coleccionistas mas no para lo revendedores  :lol:   :lol:   :lol: (malean el negocio peeee!!!!) despues que voy a comer :e_sad:  :e_sad:  :e_sad:  :wink:
que tengan buen dia amigos, los quiero mucho, saooo

sorry friends, but today I wanted to speak spanish... :cool2

ayahuasca-journey
  :smoke1  :wink:

[Stonehenge]

AJ, tengo semillas que son tuyas indirectamente. Tengo plantitas de ellas. Has probado la planta y como se usa? Se fuma, se come o como?

In the last post aj stands by his products and says he wants to help the collector and not the reseller. My seeds came indirectly from him and i got sprouts from them.

[ayahuasca-journey]

hello
stoney such a long time after I re-direct you .... I'm glad it's one that already has a plant Diplopterys, while there was no reason to mistrust, now seen as the seeds have spread to members of the forums, are happy, their little investment now will have more profit ..
thanks to the work and research with different botanical professional friends, shamans, Alberto and myself for the first time we show pictures of one of the varieties of Diplopterys that exists in my city (Amazon) would say that Alberto and I have very strong active properties, I usually mix it or replacing consumed chacruna in a preparation with caapi, better prepare ayahuasca with this plant is super strong, much more power than the 100% proven chacruna purge (ayahuasca), you can use the leaves and also rope ..... if you want you can also smoke, but in my personal opinion I do not feel anything when I smoke, just a nice sweet taste .... and if you want to have to eat it feel??
when I referred only to colecionista sale, my question is to pay 2 to 3 times the price of these seeds, because they profit from the benefits and wonders of nature, why not rely on a good supplier of seeds collected directly of the Amazon rainforest to exchange, give away, sell at prices far cheaper than any other market, and 100% viable and fresh, I hope my opinions will not be misunderstood and end up being expelled ...        just want to water these wonderful plants in the world is my main project and aim for something I'm not connected to the magical world of Amazonian plants.  
Have a nice day guys!!!!!
 
ayahuasca-journey
  :bfrown:  :blaugh:

[cunningplatypus]

I had put aside a bunch of these seeds for Cass, though he seems to have disappeared. One of you -- apologies for my crappy memory -- asked if seeds were still available, and I said no. If you're still interested (or anyone else) please drop me a PM as I'd like to give away the rest of these seeds ASAP, before they lose their viability.

I have about a dozen left.

[valh]

Hey Cunningplatypus!

Wanted to hear an update with the progress of your D. Cab. babies! 

Hope the summer has rewarded you with strong, growing wonders from the Amazon forests.

I get very excited when I see posts regarding new and interesting botanicals.  For example, Stonehenge's post of his progress with D. Cab. is an awesome sign.  He has alot of experience getting these sensitive entities to proliferate.

I think that in general, anyone who ventures to find the elusive D.C. can indeed have sucess with both obtaining a specimen (properly identified, of course) and getting it to flourish!

Thanks again for your hard work!

Val

I had put aside a bunch of these seeds for Cass, though he seems to have disappeared. One of you -- apologies for my crappy memory -- asked if seeds were still available, and I said no. If you're still interested (or anyone else) please drop me a PM as I'd like to give away the rest of these seeds ASAP, before they lose their viability.

I have about a dozen left.

[cunningplatypus]

Hi Val,

Nice surprise to see that there's still interest in this thread! Most of my older Diplo plants were sent out to the four winds, so the ones I have now are still relatively young, perhaps six months old.

I recently moved from the islands of Hawaii to the Pacific NW, plants in tow. An entire box of plants got waylaid in the USPS for more than a month, and when it arrived, all of the plants had shed their leaves. Not a nice feeling to open a box full of bare twigs and dried, yellowed leaves! Amazing creatures that they are, though, nearly every one has since recovered, including the Diplopterys.   Below are some photos of my remaining Diplopterys plants.





Also, since we're on the subject of magic plants, I've had some different Psychotrias sprout. They're still pretty young, and I'm taking AJ at his word that they're identified correctly.  Unfortunately, I wasn't clever enough to photograph the seeds, though they were indeed different looking from each other.


Psychotria colorata



Psychotria brachypoda



The p. colorata especially might have some unique effects, judging by the Internet chatter. I owe a couple of plants to a friend, but if you're interested, I'd be happy to send one or two your way before the weather gets too cold. 

[valh]

Hey Cunningplatypus,

Oh boy, I can just imagine your facial expressions as you opened that box of plants and witnessed the horror of twigs and stems!  ALL THAT HARD WORK SPENT OBTAINING, CULTIVATING, LOVING...gone....but so nice to hear that they eventually all survived the harrowing journey home! 

I heard somewhere the story of how some botanist "discovered" the Cattleya orchids waayyy back.  They were used as wrapping and filler material for freight across the oceans!  Incredible.  He stuck one in some water, watched it spring back to life, and marveled at the wondrous blooms that arose! They were very resilient, fortunately, just like your babies!  Awesome.

Regarding Psychotria's and A-J, I'm about to place an order with him for some plants and seeds.  There is a variety on the website which is labeled just as "psychotria spp"  and which a fellow botswapper on this site has guessed that they could be Psychotria Poeppigiana...the picture of the seeds are blue...were your P. Colorata blue??  Ever seen a P. Poeppigiana seed??  Interesting...

And yes, I'll take you up on your offer...pm sent...

Adios.

Val.

Hi Val,

Nice surprise to see that there's still interest in this thread! Most of my older Diplo plants were sent out to the four winds, so the ones I have now are still relatively young, perhaps six months old.

I recently moved from the islands of Hawaii to the Pacific NW, plants in tow. An entire box of plants got waylaid in the USPS for more than a month, and when it arrived, all of the plants had shed their leaves. Not a nice feeling to open a box full of bare twigs and dried, yellowed leaves! Amazing creatures that they are, though, nearly every one has since recovered, including the Diplopterys.   Below are some photos of my remaining Diplopterys plants.





Also, since we're on the subject of magic plants, I've had some different Psychotrias sprout. They're still pretty young, and I'm taking AJ at his word that they're identified correctly.  Unfortunately, I wasn't clever enough to photograph the seeds, though they were indeed different looking from each other.


Psychotria colorata



Psychotria brachypoda



The p. colorata especially might have some unique effects, judging by the Internet chatter. I owe a couple of plants to a friend, but if you're interested, I'd be happy to send one or two your way before the weather gets too cold.

[Zaka]

Irie,
So I think I've sussed out what this DC(?) really is!!!!
Alicia anisopetala
The shape & shade of the leaf seems to fit as well as the seeds...
Whatcha rekkon???
If any one can translate the field notes, that may prove handy too.
Respect,
Z

[cunningplatypus]

Zaka, I think you're probably right. It certainly seems a lot more likely that these are Alicia anisopetala than the mysterious D. cab.

Here are a couple of other A. anisopetala image links. The second is a synonymous name, Hiraea macrocarpa:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.lsa.umich.edu/herb/malpigh/Drawings/ChrCladeDraw/AliAni.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.lsa.umich.edu/herb/malpigh/ChrClade/Alicia/AliAni.html&h=533&w=380&sz=53&tbnid=NTGtP-OzroHUPM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=70&prev=/search%3Fq%3DAlicia%2Banisopetala%2Bimage%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=Alicia+anisopetala+image&docid=VT5FPKmdpSIdvM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KdL1TtDfB9LUiAKmy-DPDg&ved=0CCQQ9QEwAQ&dur=645

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/h/herb2ic/x-mich1102199/MICH1102199.TIF?chaperone=S-HERB2IC-X-MICH1102199+MICH1102199.TIF;chaperone=S-HERB2IC-X-MICH1102199+MICH1102199.TIF;evl=full-image;quality=2;resnum=;start=;subview=detail;view=entry


In the couple of years that AJ's/Kiwiboancaya's been offering these seeds, one thing that's rattled me is trying to jive the pervasive stories (by some very trusted and wise souls, including researchers and native shamans; hell, by everyone) that D. cabrerana just doesn't set seed that anyone's ever seen. It certainly should, but no one has ever found the seeds. It seems unlikely that AJ stumbled upon the one heavily-seeding patch of D. cab known to man. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but you gotta admit, it seems far-fetched.

I'd be curious to know, from Kiwiboancaya's perspective, how this plant was originally identified. Is this plant part of local, traditional plant knowledge (known to be used in aya or other mixtures)? How did Alphonso etc. originally come to know about it?   

Judging from a quick search of the Intertubes, it seems not much is known about Alicia anisopetala either.


Once again, the mysterious Diplopterys cabrerana remains elusive! The search continues...

[dendro]

Interesting.
One thing I note in scanning the pics of Alicia, is that the leaves of my, CP's, and Stoney's plants are much more lanceolate, they are long, narrow and pointy, while the Alicia seems to be more rounded in shape.

The seeds do look very much alike tho.

If Alicia is known as chaliponga in Kiwi's district, and is potent as a light admixture, both leaf and vine, then I am stoked. I have worked hard to plant my 5 best vines under suitable tree trellises, and they are twining up the trees nicely.

[Zaka]

Irie,
Yeah man that's how they start out, then after they've stretched up to climb, the leaf becomes ovate.
Also found this pic of psychotria florestana with blue berries...
Respect,
Z

[dendro]

Interesting, thanks zaka. 

I'll be watching for the change you mention as they climb.

So far two of mine have climbed 10' off the ground up branches, and the leaves, while quite large (like, 7-9") , are all still lanceolate, with definite elongated pointy tips.

I've just read a thread:   http://forums.ayahuasca.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=24583&p=199875&hilit=cabrerana#p199875

at aya forum showing pics of chalis, and the leaves on my chalis look just like the ones ID'd (by chaliponga dream) as Diplopterys cabrerana in that thread. They are quite large as well, 8-9".

The vines are really taking off now, fast growth is starting, more vines appearing from the bases. Soon brew...

[Mr. green]

Alright folks is this or is this not d cab? the pictures from alicia the leaves look far more oval indeed while leaves from d cab look far more narrow... FAR more so to speak.

[Zaka]

Irie,
So mine are 2yrs+ old & now have started flowering!
Pics soon!
Respect,
Z