A Prediction

[Zaka]

Irie,
Check it out!
[youtube:2s2fnto6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI[/youtube:2s2fnto6]
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Z

[laughingwillow]

I don't put much stock in most conspiracies I've studied.

Does that make me closed-minded?

[Zaka]

Irie LW,
Try using Common Sense, a little discernment & read between the lines.
Always try to educate yourself.
This old dog always enjoy learning a new trick.
Just cos' you agree with someone on one issue does not mean that you have to agree with everything they may say.
Take David Icke, because he exposes insidious systems like Common Purpose, does not mean that you have to agree with his reptilian agenda......just hope he's wrong on that.
Respect
Z

[laughingwillow]

To be honest, I'm kind of put off by your advice, zaka.  You seem to be saying that any intelligent, sane person would naturally come to the same conclusions you personally have reached concerning the conspiracies mentioned if they would only research the details of the incidents and then read between the lines. It appears that some (you included) see waaay more written between the lines than I do. And you have also written in another thread that anyone who doesn't agree with you on said conspiracies should check their sanity. While I disagree with you on this, I've never questioned your sanity due to your beliefs.

Let m give you a recent example.... In the thread about Andy's friend that turned into a comtrail debate, you linked a few stories and photos that proved absolutely nothing concerning the topic at hand, imo. One particular photo of a plane's wing explained in the caption that we were looking at an aerosol DETECTION set up on a plane's wing used to monitor aerosol levels. However, your explanation was that we were looking at an aerosol DELIVERY system mounted on the wing of said aircraft. I found nothing even slightly incriminating in any of the other linked stories either.

Coupling the above with your prediction in the first post of this thread leads me to believe that anon might be on to something concerning your attraction to conspiracies in general without digging too far into the details. Obama's birth certificate has been analyzed and authenticated by the proper authorities long ago. A quick search will confirm this. However, the "birthers" have chosen to disregard the conclusive evidence for what ever reason.

The real conspiracy, in this case is how the sour grapes republicans/racists have managed to keep this non-issue alive.

Please come back when you have more proof than what is to be found solely "reading between the lines."

On the other hand, the plane into the pentagon is one incident I don't really understand to this day. (I see no wing damage to the building nor debris and fail to understand how the nose piece of the aircraft in question could have pierced the inner walls like it reportedly did.

But what about the people on the plane that reportedly died in the crash?

lw

[Zaka]

Irie LW,
Excuse fucking me!!!??

You seem to be saying that any intelligent, sane person would naturally come to the same conclusions you personally have reached concerning the conspiracies mentioned if they would only research the details of the incidents and then read between the lines

Wow you read all that in to what I wrote? Seems you like to put words in peoples mouth!

that anyone who doesn't agree with you on said conspiracies should check their sanity

Again what I advised ; Tell him to sit down and watch Obama Deception with you.....
Then question your own sanity! Nowhere does it say that you have to agree with me? Seems you like to put words in peoples mouth again.

Let m give you a recent example.... In the thread about Andy's friend that turned into a comtrail debate, you linked a few stories and photos that proved absolutely nothing concerning the topic at hand, imo.

WTF From the first post in that thread

Stuff like contrails, one world government, mind controll, 911conspiracy exc. it borders on psychosis

Hey Ave brought it up but again Seems you like to put words in peoples mouth.

However, your explanation was that we were looking at an aerosol DELIVERY system mounted on the wing of said aircraft. I found nothing even slightly incriminating in any of the other linked stories either.

If you're sitting under a coconut tree and I advise you not to sit there, a nut might fall. Would you tell me there ain't no such danger? Do so at your own risk! I'm not going to make you, but I guess I would have to administer first aid to you!

Obama's birth certificate has been analyzed and authenticated by the proper authorities long ago. A quick search will confirm this. However, the "birthers" have chosen to disregard the conclusive evidence for what ever reason.

As I wrote I came to this conclusion after watching Martial Law Pt 3. Obama ain't in it! The birther hype talking point came up after I posted my prediction. Hey but if you're happy with your Govt good luck.

The real conspiracy, in this case is how the sour grapes republicans/racists have managed to keep this non-issue alive.

Wow you really are stuck in some sort of strange paradigm, where republicans are racists and democrats are not?
You obviously never had to live with racism!

On the other hand, the plane into the pentagon is one incident I don't really understand to this day. (I see no wing damage to the building nor debris and fail to understand how the nose piece of the aircraft in question could have pierced the inner walls like it reportedly did.
But what about the people on the plane that reportedly died in the crash?

I saw a good documentary on this, with the eye witnesses describing the event. Can't remember what it was called.
If I find it I'll post it for you.//http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5477955350625095031&ei=PSl0SvnNDcK4lQec-4xv&q=pentagon+attack+eyewitness&hl=en&client=firefox-a

Maybe that wasn't the best advice for you to read between the lines? Try joining the dots instead!
At least you've refrained from calling people You don't agree with, Morons & Retards. Defiantly raises the level of the conversation.
Respect
Z

[laughingwillow]

http://www.pensitoreview.com/

quote from linked article above: ....a new poll has found that Birthers are predominantly Republicans — no surprise there — and that the South leads all other regions by far as a hotbed of Birtherism .......

In the South, just 47 percent believe he is a citizen, 23 percent do not and 30 percent aren't sure........

But does this make the Birther movement racist at its core? Not necessarily. Racism is pervasive throughout the country, even if Birtherism is less so. On the other hand, polls and reports abound these days showing the GOP is shriveling into a party of old, white Southern men. The absence of people of color in the party demographics — especially in the South, where blacks tend to be more conservative than in other parts of the country — speaks volumes.

Still, the fact that Birthers are more prevalent in the states of the old Confederacy may explain why Birthers refused to be convinced by hard evidence that includes a certificate of live birth vouchsafed by the Republican governor of Hawaii, as well as the fact that birth announcements for Barack Obama Jr. appeared in both Honolulu newspapers a day or two after his birth in August 1961.

But facts don't matter to bigots. And this stubborn refusal to accept documentary evidence is the most convincing argument yet for the proposition that the Birther movement is a racist phenomenon at its core.

[Zaka]

Irie LW,
Quite a few bare assertions there!
Racists aren't just white......I know a lot of black folks that hate whites just for the color of their skin.
I wonder what the stats of blacks that don't believe he was born in Hawaii. Would you class them as racists? Seem a bit of a cop out to regard anyone that doesn't agree with his policies, as a racist, as that article wants to. I guess they use less fluoride in the south? Am I a racist for even questioning it? Agreeing with the mainstream doesn't make it fact.
There's a whole country, Kenya, that believe he wasn't born in Hawaii....the majority are black. That's millions! Does that make them racists?

as the fact that birth announcements for Barack Obama Jr. appeared in both Honolulu newspapers a day or two after his birth in August 1961.

I'm glad you brought this one forward. I have questions over this legitimizing him as born in Hawaii. Just seems flimsy to me?
Is it so far out of the realms of possibility that the grandparents put this announcement in the paper because their daughter had a child in Kenya but they wanted to still be able to get him US citizenship and did this as a way to legitimize that claim? Fraud does happen! Even from well intentioned grandparents. Just think what you would do if it was your daughter, who had run off to Africa.
I don't know; Where were his parents married?
So I have also heard about how he was educate in Indonesia for 10 yrs for which you would have to be a citizen of that country. Hmmm?  
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Z

[Bushpig]

You dont need conspiracy theories to discredit Obama, until he takes back control of the money supply and kicks out the privately owned fed, hes working for them not the people, it's simple..really, actions are what counts, and he does not seem to be doing anything of the things that really matter.  Who cares  about his citizenship,

Boooooshpig

[Zaka]

Irie,
Bang on Bushpig....a nice concise summary.
As for who cares? What about foreign govts having the dirt on him. They'd be able to use (this) blackmail (not a racist slur) to get him to bow to their will. Hasn't this guy already bowed to all the powers of Europe and the Mid-east? I mean really, what would the founding fathers of thought of him bowing and groveling to the Queen?
So have you seen the Backlash Card? Prophetic, coincidence or manipulation? It's all too weird! //http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/isaacj313.htm
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Z

[Avery L. Breath]

it's simple..really, actions are what counts, and he does not seem to be doing anything of the things that really matter.
Boooooshpig[/quote]

"Paul!" The Duke frowned at his son. "Knowing where the trap is - that is the first step in evading it. This is like single combat, Son, only on a larger scale - a feint within a feint within a feint... seemingly without end."  --dune/frank herbert

[laughingwillow]

Lord knows the heavens conspire and Heaven knows Lords conspire as well  ..... - book of laughingwillow -

lw

[Zaka]

Irie,
This looks a lot more like what I would consider the birth cert would look like.
//http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764
I guess time will tell? I really didn't think all this shit would happen so quickly after my first post!
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Z

[Amomynous]

"Paranoia is just another word for ignorance."

--Hunter S. Thomspon, Kingdom of Fear: Loathsome Secrets of a Star-crossed Child in the Final Days of the American Century

[laughingwillow]

When did you become an expert on US birth certificates, zaka? I don't expect what you would expect necessarily has anything to do with reality.

This is a really stoopid non-issue, imo. The law has been followed. The official that had a direct obligation to verify the certificate of live birth has announced their findings. However, a group of what I consider ignorant sore losers has decided the general public needs to see the original certificate rather than following proscribed law.  

lw

[Zaka]

When did you become an expert on US birth certificates, zaka? I don't expect what you would expect necessarily has anything to do with reality.

lw

Irie LW,
I not! I think I stated that somewhere before?
I do have 3 kids and know what the birth certificates in Ex-Colonial countries look like!
And it looks like That!
Seriously, do you buy, the cert from Hawaii, formatted in what looks to be Microsoft, with no signature or seal stamps.
Or this Kenya cert, in crappy old typewriter set, with signature and seal stamp.?  
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Z