New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President

[laughingwillow]

THe media selected Obama?

And that's the difference in the campaigns? This is due to the media?

The American people have chosen Obama.  And It started in Iowa earlier in the year.  

lw

[Bushpig]

JRL,

I do not think YOU understand that it is corporations and wealthy interest groups that control policy, NOT presidents.  Hence 'besides the point'.  Obama and McCain are only there because they have accepted millions of dollars from corporations and such groups so that they can do their bidding!  Now I sincerely hope he gets in, tells em all where to stick it and goes about to some decent work, though such an action will probably result in his death.  Just look into Kennedy and the exectutive order 11110.

In regards to me 'being in the know' do not be so petty as to make silly accusations.  I would 'guess' Obama to Win, just because I think the outcome has already been decieded does not mean I know what the outcome will be!

I just am amazed when I see Obama talking about 'REAL CHANGE' and everyone taking it hook line and sinker, it's coming from a politicians mouth...ermmm, alarm bells ringing anyone?   He may well to many seem like the best of the two, but again I draw you to the notion of private money funding policy.  He may well pull some troops from Iraq, only because there are enough private armies there already to keep save the assets aquired out there.  His actions in Afghanistan and Pakistan will be of utmost interest as well as his relations with AIPAC.

You know, Plato did try and warn us of all this over 2000 years ago.  Wakey wakey.

Boooshpig

[laughingwillow]

I call bullshit, stoney and bushie.

The media hasn't selected squat. McLame has run such a fucked up campaign that even the media folks have had to stand up and call it how they see it. And if you can't see that, well then, sorry for the reality check, fellah.

lw

[laughingwillow]

Obama was given NO chance up until the time the votes were being cast in Iowa. Hillary was the corporate and insiders darling. Remember?

Omama came out and organized his way into this position. I watched it happen.

Don't be such a sore loser, stoney. Just because your time has passed politically and bigotry is crumbling before your eyes. That's a good thing.

lw

[laughingwillow]

Corporate media and special interest lobbies can only influence voters. We The People are still responsible at the end of the day for the outcome no matter how jaded you wish to be.

lw

[laughingwillow]

LOL yeah, boosh, tell us how the U$ system REALLY works!

Trust me, your understanding, at least as how its represented above is a gross simplification at best.

lw

[laughingwillow]

btw......

As for the "wakey wakey," comment above...

I'm guessing that's about how I felt when I, for all intents and purposes, discarded the mainstream point of view. However, that was over twenty years ago when I was still a youngster and thought knew everything there was to know about this reality we sow.

lw

[Stonehenge]

Good points, Bush, about the fact that the candidates, particularly Obama, have accepted millions of dollars from special interests. Last I heard, Obama had taken in over $400 million. He has little choice because if he doesn't accept it, he can't get his message out. I would prefer that a limit of $100 per person be the rule and no corporate or pac money be allowed. But that's the way it is. We shall see how beholden the winner is to those who paid his way.

[laughingwillow]

We shall see what happens when bigotry takes a hit this election cycle. The old ways are done. Archie Bunker is dead. The smears didn't work. And the racist south isn't going to rise again.

lw

[JRL]

Well put lw.

It's looking like we will all get a chance to see how Mr. Obama does.

Bush, I do understand about corporate money and power, believe me. Look at Iraq and the Katrina aftermath to see that this country is sold out.

"In regards to me 'being in the know' do not be so petty as to make silly accusations. I would 'guess' Obama to Win, just because I think the outcome has already been decieded does not mean I know what the outcome will be! "

Sorry about the wise ass crack, I was pretty fired up at the time. But I don't see how the results of the election have been preordained. Too many people involved, each precint counts its votes, so even if some of the officials are solidly in on the "conspiracy", there wll be a percentage on the other side and what I guess would be the biggest group, honest people sworn to uphold the law.

But notice I didn't say anything about the last 2 elections not being stolen, because the obviously were. But you can steal a close election with vote shaving but not a landslide.

And let me for the record say one more time: I am not counting on Obama saving the world. I do have high hopes for him and I fear for his life. I have seen the damage the wrong man can do in 8 years, so I am excited by the prospect of a new day. I certainly didn't think I would live to see a black man in the Massa's White House. That alone says a lot to me. Like lw says, bigotry is taking a hit.

"I'm guessing that's about how I felt when I, for all intents and purposes, discarded the mainstream point of view. However, that was over twenty years ago when I was still a youngster and thought knew everything there was to know about this reality we sow."

Me too, lw. Piggers, 40 years ago I would have been right there with you. In 1968 we all thought the collapse of civilisation was nigh. We didn't pay our parking tickets becaue we figured that in the next year the government would crumble, and no one would be there to collect. Most of us didn't expect to live past 30.

[laughingwillow]

Btw Stoney...

I'd like to see a link to the "facts" you report above about Obama taking large amounts of money from corporate interests. Where are you getting your info? Please show me.

lw

[Glandmaster]

oops Bushpig - the election is today sometime - you let slip on the 'do you guys realise how irrational you have all been these past few months?' thing too early :mrgreen:

[laughingwillow]

Are you talking about "we the american people" being irrational in general or "we the people at spr" in specific?  :cool3

lw

[Syd]

Elephants are the only animals that can't jump... but I digress. Back to politics...

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