Temple of Entheogenic Spirituality

[Anonymous]

Well thats a really nice thing to say...

Geeze.

Let redragon speak for himself.

[laughingwillow]

This isn't about nice. Its about surviving the reality we currently face, imo.  :cool3

lw

[Anonymous]

I like being nice to people... You should try it!

Happiness! Sunshine! Butterflys!

Yaaaaa L.W. your my new best friend!

[JRL]

Teo, you are bringing down the signal to noise ratio that we value so much around here. You seem like those guys you see at shows that stand up in front and wave their arms to hijack the attention given to the bands.

Dude, we have tried, but it is kinda hard to take you seriously. Think before you type, be the best Teo that you are and you will have a place in the tribe.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for that advice and respectful post JRL, I'll do my best.

[JRL]

Thank you for taking it in the spirit it was intended

[Anonymous]

No prob'

I respond well to post such as yours.

[laughingwillow]

LOL

[boomer2]

And try to read some of the articles or literature I posted for you to read in several of yor threads here.

I mean you profess this interest into these sacred plants but for some reason you respond with , "yeah, Sure."

P posted good information for you to learn about the plants you sayu you love, but have not heard a response back that you learned anything I posted for you.

Playing mind games and professing to imply that you know what you are talking about when you haven't learned anything turns people off to listening to what you have to say.

You claimed to have Indian blood in your veins and spirit and professed an interest in joining the Native American Church which is really the primary church of the peyote cult and then you go get an instant diploma through the mail.

Fraud in regards to sacred plants is not the beginning of an honest symbiotic relationship between you and the sacred plants you say you have an interest in being part of.  If you cannot listen to what all of use keep sharing with you to improve your relationship with all of us so that members here will listen to what you have to say, and then not listen gets you nowhere.

You seem to be stuck and set in your ways and have basically been showing an unwillingness to take any of our advi9ce to you seriously.

By the way,

 I grew this peyote in Hawaii for 8 years.  I shared showing it to over a couple of hundred students and teachers at the University of Hawaii when I worked there.

It was in its original flower pot, and there were more than in this image.

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One day I came home form a lecture and the flower pot was gone. Someone stole it.  So I never have Peyote in my home again.

My attitude is that if someone steals it from me then I would rather not have it in my home.

I do not like thieves.



boomer2

[Anonymous]

Thank you for that most respectful post Boomer.

I'm sorry for giving you shit, your a VERY smart man!

[adidas]

after reading maaany of your posts, i can't help but thinking you have some sort of agenda around here.. are you cia or something?
I'm not an active member, but i love to read this forum, it's full of great data and diferent insights. I grow peyote, but it's legal for me to do it in my country.  Pot is illegal, cocaine is illegal (yet noone messes with the sacred leaf), lsd is ilegal, but not sacred cacti, for example...  What i want to ask you, really, is why are you so interested in having people join a peyote church?
i mean... i have never used peyote, nor do i plan to, and i won't start to do it just because you insist on that i join a church and taste it's bitterness
i have no reads on the subject either, but what i would advise anyone, a part from studying what their gettin into, is to go to mexico if you want to take peyote, to bolivia, peru, ecuador, or whereever san pedro grows, and learn of it's powers in it's very land, by the hands and words of the people brought up under those teachings, to see one of the sides it has to offer.. the one i like best.  It's cool if you want to take a plant just for a trip, many have, and had great times doing so... but talking so much about the holiness and... i don't know, i'm no wise man, nor am i a chaman, but try not to upset the spirits, it never worked well for me
salud

[Anonymous]

I want people to join the church because we need to make it know that we're out there, theres alot of us and we believe it's our right to practice our entheogenic religion.

[adidas]

And it is, for sure, your right to do whatever you want with your mind, knowing that if you go crazy and dangerous, they can still lock you up.   What i personally don't understand is why you need to frame your rites and belifes in a form so unlucky as a religion.  And i respect that you organize your thoughts however you feel fit, but don't try to get people to join a church, which could easily just be a cult.  In some places of south america, chaman's philosophy has been altered after the times of the colony, and the original practices mixed with the catholic ones, imposed over fire and blood.  Now, some chaman give San Pedro and then guide you to the gates of heaven through the words of the apostols... doing slightly more brainwashing than they do spiritual guidance and natural conection.  This only happens in counted cases, but someone who offers you a whole religion and a trip out of anything familiar for $50, makes me wonder...

[Amomynous]

Now, some chaman give San Pedro and then guide you to the gates of heaven through the words of the apostols...

People navigate the entheogenic, imaginal realms in many ways (perhaps as many ways as there are people). Is this any stranger, or "less real" than self-transforming elf-machines?

[adidas]

just the opposite, it's much more common.  Self-transforming elf-machines (?) are a lot stranger than cristianity.  Stranger is not in the same realm as "less real", each as real in each case.  I personally don't agree with brainwashing, i'd rather believe in intermitent beams of energy joining every cell in each plant with the sky above, the unicity, the all-relate, than believe what someone whoever was taught in church and then pumped me full of entheogens and taught me.
Each walks his road his own way, being induced to believing something, is also a way.  I just don't support it, nor do i support anyone who tries to make people join a church, evangelics or peyotists.  I was simply wondering what part of his entheogenic journey (aka life, experience, culture, mind state) brought him to insist on people joining a church, what part does he think is so cool about it.  All i want is to understand, so i can perhaps change my opinions.