Native American Church

[judih]

appreciated that, senor, thanks for sharing that story. Could feel every word, must be the authenticity that rings through.

[Anonymous]

Wow great posts guys!

Thanks!

[senorsalvia]

Thanks Judith, thanks Teot:  Glad you liked the tale...  I'm fairly certain that most of us that have partaken of 'altering substances' have, at times, experienced things of a like nature....  It's always been an opiniony as to what group of adventuof mine that alot of the psychological stress issues in regards to entheo-journies has to do with the negative pre-conditioning that most of society lamblasts us with...  Not good for the psyche to try and integrate experiences when 'the powers' are constantly telling us that mental sojourns and enlightenment seeking are bad/antisocial/wrong etc...  I'd expect that if there were ever a study of 'user groups' and 'negative experiences';  it would be those that come from societies that vilify such mental gymnastics,,,they'd be the ones prone to having less than rewarding times.... The mental baggage that society places on a person undoubtedly has consequences...  Has anyone noticed how those that are from a society that does not act negatively to entheo journeys, it's those groups of travelers that don't seem to report 'bad trips' and the like....  I say, throw off the societal chains...  Easier said than done, to be sure, but.....highly rewarding imho......... :smoke1

[JRL]

"So, in this context, users of symbolic sacraments might be viewed as children imitating adult behavior."

Well put, brotherman!!

[laughingwillow]

Btw, Teo......

There are many documented cases of the U$ gubmit NOT PERMITTING or strongly discouraging those accused of drug crimes from making a religious plea.  :roll:

Don't let that piece of paper become your ghost dance shirt, bruddah.....

http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/resourc ... /68_07.htm

lw

[senorsalvia]

:lol:  :lol: -----  Piece of paper - Ghost Dance Shirt    :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:  ---Oh my, we have senor guffawing like a loon again while supposedly maintaining a sense of decorum at the public library...

[Anonymous]

There are many documented cases of the U$ gubmit NOT PERMITTING or strongly discouraging those accused of drug crimes from making a religious plea.

Now why do you think that is???

[laughingwillow]

I think it is because once the everyday joe is allowed in front of a jury to make that plea, the law goes out the window. ANd the gubmit will not risk that.

lw

[Anonymous]

Is that what you think the government thinks... or is that what you think?

Cause I think that, thats a load of bullshit.

[laughingwillow]

Please explain.

lw

[boomer2]

Wow great posts guys!

Thanks!

Here is a link from google to 29,000 court cases against peyote.  A majority of state rights against Federal and of course the Feds always have their wins.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Peyote+C ... =firefox-a

You might want to read these.

I think anonymous was 100% right on with everything he posted here in this thread.

boomer2

[laughingwillow]

Teo: You appear to be half-way home. Maybe The Hawaii Cannabis Ministry can help you cover the rest of the bases.  :smoke2:  

http://www.thc-ministry.org/

Of course, its only for bone fide adults, so you might want to get ganja learner's permit, psychedelic junior acolyte certificate or holy smoke merit badge in the interim.

lw

[Anonymous]

Haha, ok. Sure.

[laughingwillow]

Here's a pretty good read on the subject at hand.

http://www.dallasobserver.com/2008-02-1 ... oly-crop/1

And these folks might be interesting to meet/know..

http://www.nativeamericanchurch.net/nac.htm

lw

[Anonymous]

Ah, thanks for posting LW.

Anybody got anymore link? Info? Comments? Tips?