Britts roll over for gestapo police tactics

[Stonehenge]

You think we have a police state over here? Take a look at what's in store for us a little down the road. And there is no outcry from the public in Britain. They just say "baaaaa" and take it. Cops can search them any time they wish.

http://www.infowars.com/?p=3604

  Brit Cops to Search People at Cinemas, Diners, and Hotels

Infowars
July 27, 2008

In Britain, the control grid is moving along at a brisk clip. As if barking CCTVs, random searches, terrorist databases, metal detectors in the street, and other intrusive methods of control and intimidation are not enough, now folks going to the cinema will be searched. The People reports:

    Cinema-goers may be searched on the way into shows in a new crackdown on suicide bombers.

Suicide bombers? Indeed, a big problem in merry old England, never mind one of the last “suicide bombers” that struck on July 7, 2005, planted his bomb under the Circle line train in London. It was apparently a Houdini trick. Maybe the cops will begin crawling under trains, looking for wily bombers determined to disrupt the British way of life?

But it is not simply the cinema:

    Theaters, restaurants and hotels will also be covered in an anti-terror blueprint to be published by Security Minister Lord West later this year.

    Diners, hotel guests and theater-goers could all have to undergo searches.

It seems every sort of public business will be rolled into the control grid:

    From next month owners of pubs, bars and clubs will also be able to take part in exercises with police to make their premises safe.

    Using multi-media DVD simulation they will be told how to spot suspicious customers and evacuate their buildings.

British television now reports Gestapo-like police tactics â€" random bus searches, drug sniffing dogs, impromptu metal detectors â€" as if no big deal. From a news report earlier this year:

[Glandmaster]

reductio ad Hitlerum is all I can say for the infowars 'rendering' of a UK tabloids (Yes it really is the sister paper to the The Sunday Mirror and yes they have a Simpsons category above news in their menu...) seven sentence long 'article'.

Allow me to add some emphasis to this expansive journalism:

The People
27 July 2008
MOVIE FANS TO GET BOMB FRISK
By Nigel Nelson

Cinema-GOERS may be searched on the way into shows in a new crackdown on suicide bombers.

Theatres, restaurants and hotels will also be covered in an anti-terror
blueprint
to be published
by Security Minister Lord West
later this year.

Diners, hotel guests and theatre-goers could all have to undergo searches.

And designers of public buildings will need to get security advice from "police architectural liaison officers" on how to make buildings bomb-proof. "We are developing guidance to explain the Government's approach to protection," said Lord West.

From next month owners of pubs, bars and clubs will also be able to take part in exercises with police to make their premises safe.

Using multi-media DVD simulation they will be told how to spot suspicious customers and evacuate their buildings.

So it seems that you have fallen for Mr Jones hype, not checked your source and have fallen foul of the old trick of substituting a report on what might happen for reality and thus provoking a paper selling furor. Where does it say that the police will be searching people for example? Licensed premises (thats places that sell alcohol and / or provide entertainment) have to work with the local police and fire service as a requirement of getting their license in the first place. The main thing they insist on is your own security and safety plans and they set the minimum security staff you need to hire because all venues are private property - its the same deal in the US so your ignorance astounds me.

I grew up and worked in a garrison town in the UK during the IRA bombings - we had briefings from all the local emergency services on what to do. Its called planning for the worst and its kinda what we pay the emergency services to do? When I worked on a passenger ferry we drilled for every conceivable contingency, riot, fire, hull breach, bomb threat, grounding etc etc big deal its called due diligence.

I couldnt vote in the elections dubya 'won' - whats your excuse? "baaaaa" indeed. Take your racism and your infantile politics back to the sports bar where it belongs.

[Stonehenge]

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? We have a rule against personal attacks so please desist.

The article said they "may" do this and a plan to do it was coming out. Are they saying it for no reason?

[Glandmaster]

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? We have a rule against personal attacks so please desist.

Pointing out that a statement is fallacious, inaccurate, prejudiced and offensive is not in and of itself offensive. If you dislike the reception you get consider adjusting what you say.

The article said they "may" do this and a plan to do it was coming out. Are they saying it for no reason?

The People is in business to sell papers and advertising. I have no comment on the report as I have not read it yet.

[laughingwillow]

I'm guessing glandmaster is taking your comment about the brits, "saying baaa and taking it" personally. I agree with his his points.

lw

[Glandmaster]

Whilst this article shows the extent of the professional and local government resistance to the cards its worth checking out the work of NO2ID who co ordinate and inform the general publics opposition. As a disabled student I get to see two of the fiercest revolts against the cards as they want to force those who rely on welfare and those who have committed to a course of study first - that the weak and voiceless make an easy place to stick the thin edge of the wedge seems to not have been lost on these bullies.

ID cards plan in crisis as the 'guinea pigs' revolt

    * Toby Helm, Whitehall editor
    * The Observer,
    * Sunday October 12 2008


Plans to build support for identity cards by introducing them among 'guinea pig' groups, such as airport staff and students, are in crisis after 10,000 airline pilots vowed to take legal action to block them and opposition swept through Britain's universities and councils.

In a move that could wreck the government's strategy for a phased introduction beginning next year, the British Airline Pilots Association (Balpa) said it would seek a judicial review rather than see its members forced to adopt ID cards at a time when pilots are already exhaustively vetted.

Balpa's vehement opposition is a hammer blow for the Home Secretary, Jacqui Smith, who had hoped to win the wider public over to ID cards by demonstrating that they were crucial to anti-terrorism policies. She intends to introduce them among groups 'who operate in positions of trust in our society'.

In a speech in March, Smith said: 'The first cards will be issued, from 2009, to groups where there is a compelling need for reassurance that someone is who they say they are.'

But Balpa, which represents more than 10,000 pilots working on 28 airlines, backed by the Trades Union Congress, insists that ID cards will 'do nothing' to enhance airport or flight security, and it fears that information about its members stored on a National Identity Register could be abused.

Jim McAuslan, general secretary of Balpa, told The Observer: 'Our members are incensed by the way they have been targeted as guinea pigs in a project which will not improve security. We will leave no stone unturned in our attempts to prevent this, including legal action to force a judicial review if necessary.'

From late 2010 ministers intend to start issuing ID cards to 'young people', particularly students, on a voluntary basis in a further attempt to win the population round. Then around 2012 everyone applying for a passport will have to be on the National Identity Register.

However, the anti-ID card campaign group, NO2ID, is mobilising what it says is 'a wave of student opposition' to ID cards on campuses across the country.

More than 40 local authorities, as well as the Scottish parliament and the Welsh and London assemblies, have passed motions opposing ID cards. Without the co-operation of councils, which would use ID cards to verify benefit claimants and those wanting to use public services, the entire project would fail to get off the ground.

Home Office officials insist that the plans remain on track. Ministers say ID cards, expected to cost around £100 a head, cannot be introduced on a compulsory basis without a further vote in parliament.