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Do not have any Solanaceae plants in or near your home. Cultivate only Nicotiana species. Always wear gloves when handling them.

That was from a long time ago and I now know its silly.... I changed "Solanaceae" to "piosonous".

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http://www.sacredsucculents.com/ (All psychoactive cacti EXCEPT Peyote)

http://www.loveleafgarden.com/catalog/ (Ayahuasca and General Ethnobotanicals)

http://kadasgarden.com/index.html (Peyote and General Ethnobotanicals)

http://www.peyoteway.org/ (Peyote Church)

http://www.realkava.com/index.html (Awesome Kava)

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Suspected Entheogenic, Psychoactive and/or Medicinal Cacti-


Of North America-

Ariocarpus agavoides
Ariocarpus fissuratus
Ariocarpus kotschoubeyanus
Ariocarpus retusus
Astrophytum asterias
Astrophytum capricorne
Astrophytum myriostigma
Aztekium ritterii
Carnegiea gigantea
Coryphantha spp. (?)
Coryphantha compacta (Coryphantha palmeri?)
Coryphantha elephantidens
Coryphantha macromeris
Coryphantha macromeris ssp. runyonii
Echinocactus platyacanthus (Echinocactus visnaga)
Echinocereus salm-dyckianus (Echinocereus scheeri)
Echinocereus polyacanthus
Epithalantha micromeris
Gymnocalycium spp. (?)
Leuchtenbergia principis
Lophophora williamsii
Lophophora diffusa
Mammillaria spp. (?)
Mammillaria grahamii
Mammillaria heyderi (Mammillaria heyderi v. gummifera, Mammillaria gummifera)
Mammillaria (Dolichothele) longimamma
Mammillaria pectinifera (Solisia pectinata)
Mammillaria (Mamillopsis) senilis
Mammillaria sonorensis (Mammillaria craigii)
Obregonia denegrii
Pachycereus pecten-aboriginum
Pachycereus pringlei
Pelecyphora aselliformis
Pelecyphora strobiliformis
Strombocactus disciformis
Turbinicarpus lophophoroides
Turbinicarpus pseudomacrochele
Turbinicarpus pseudopectinatus (Pelecyphora pseudopectinata)
Turbinicarpus schmiedickeanus

Of South America-


Armatocereus laetus "Pishicol"
Browningia (?)
Epostoa lanata (?)
Matucana madisoniorum
Neoraimondia macrostibas
Stenocereus spp. (?)
Trichocereus species



I have recently obtain Echinocereus scheeri... I was wondering about it and Echinocereus triglochidiatus v. neomexicanus potential psychoactivty? What of the other Echinocereus?

Will somebody tell me about Echinocactus and the mythology behind it?

Which Mammillaria and Coryphantha should I include? What are the most likely psychoactive canaidates?

From the Turbinicarpus genus I include the species- lophophoroides, pseudomacrochele, pseudopectinatus and schmiedickeanus... are these sufficent or are other cacti of the genus recongized as suspected psychoactive or medicinals?

I believe one of the best possible uses of these cacti may be combinding them with Trichocereus to create a "Peyote-like" experience.

I could also see them being ingested with Lophophora.

Armatocereus laetus "Pishicol" is reputed to be entheogen... What of it and the other suspected psychoactive columnars like Stenocereus and Browningia?

I was also wondering about the psychoactivy of Gymnocalycium and as well...

What about these reports of Epostoa lanata being used like "San Pedro"?

Is Coryphantha rosea worth looking into?

Leuchtenbergia principis is a crazy looking cactus... is it really psychoactive?

How about Pterocereus gaumeri?

This cactus Gymnocalycium gibbosum is said to contain mescaline.

So is Islaya minor...

What of Chinoa?

I have heard that Stenocereus are not a good idea to ingest... but they do contain mescaline...

Stetsonia coryne?

Is there any evidence for use of any of theses cacti among native peoples?

Does anybody care to make any comments on the suspected psychoactive columners?

I see reports of Stenocereus (Ritterocereus) hystrix being comparable to Lophophora all over the net...

It seems as though some sort of testing was done (they normally reference this) Does anybody have any information on any test done on these cacti? Or any knowledge of their general psychoactivty?


If anybody has any reports of any of the above cacti other than Lophophora and Trichocereus please send me a PM, even if it's a friend-of-a-friend report.



So....

We know so far (due to the efforts of others like Mr.Smith, Mr.Trout, and many more) that some Mammilliria are active, and some Ariocarpus have medicinal vaules.

Seems pretty damn simple to me.

We've already discovered some new medicinals and psychoactives!

Everybody we can (by standing on the shoulders of those that came before us) discover the ancient lost knowledge of the medicinal and psychoactive cacti of Mexico and South America!

I'll be writting a bioassy report of Ariocarpus fissuratus, ingested by two people on two different occasions.

The bioassy was positive in both cases.

More details to come.


Actually I'm preforming human bioassys of most of the above species.


I think the best way to go about doing a "Lost Peyote" bioassy would be to grow from seed or otherwise obtain a fair number of the cactus in questions. Let's say your going to bioassy Strombocactus disciformis. Well you sow a fair number of Strombocactus seeds and grow them, while at the same time obtaining live specimens, grow all your cacti to mature flowering age and then began ingestions.

I believe the best way to bioassy the "Lost Peyotes" would be the following-

1) Ingest one large mature specimen. Some other methods of ingestion might be ideal for the intial bioassy (such as smoking Ariocarpus turberles, which does work)

2) Ingest one large mature specimen with a small amount of Trichocereus cactus of a known potency (To study it's possible use as a companion plant to Lophophora, being ingested along with it.)

3) Ingest a few medium to large adult plants.

4) Ingest many adult plants.



Be sure to not use all of your cacti for bioassy, keep a good genetic diversity for each species (Some "Lost Peyotes" species may only have ONE active strain) and always remember, many of these species are close to extiction, I would encourage people to donate their money and time to Peyote Conservation funds and I think it should be the goal of each person who comes in contact with this wonderful cacti to restore their former glory in the wild, my dream is to one day release many of my specimens back into the wild when I'm old and grey and near the end of my days...


If any specimens should rot or otherwise die, then this material can be kept for bioassy, just write down the date when it was dried and other information.


And what's this I hear of Trichocereus flowers being active???


http://www.mfaint.demon.co.uk/cactus/tu ... .html#what


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Sponsor  Posted: Monday, August 25, 2008 1:54:19 PM  
 
 
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'Coatl  Posted: Monday, August 25, 2008 1:58:25 PM      
 
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 "White Peyote"-


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The Fabled White Peyote of The Grand Canyon and Four Corners Area-

Archaeological discoveries in Arizona and Southern Texas indicate that peyote has been used by the Southwestern Tribes and their ancestors since antiquity. Peyote has been found carbon dated as 10,000 years old in caves in Southern Texas and Arizona. The mummified samples did not resemble modern peyote and were larger and more domed in comparison to modern populations of Lophophora williamsii. These samples also contained up to 6% mescaline by weight even after thousands of years in a desiccated state. Modern Lophophora varieties average 3% mescaline in comparison. The Dine (Navajo) oral traditions and those of other Southwest tribes indicate that a cold tolerant, high altitude variety of peyote existed in the area of the Grand Canyon in ancient times[citation needed], called "white peyote" which was rumored to be of cosmic potency.

Recent discoveries and botanical evidence indicates modern Lophophora species may in fact be divergent hybrids of Lophophora diffusa and a species recently named Lophophora brackii[citation needed], a high altitude domed "white" peyote with 'Z' patterns and articulated ribbing that originates from a single population confined to a mountain near Viesca, in the northern state of Coahuila, Mexico. Modern Lophophora varieties exhibit pollen structure which ranges from 3 pored pollen from its western ranges up to 9 pored pollen in the Eastern Range where Lophophora decipiens grows under extremely arid conditions, characteristics of a natural hybrid. Lophophora diffusa more closely resembles primitive cacti than the other Lophophora varieties and this species also exists as an isolated population in a mountainous area and is more cold tolerant[citation needed] than Lophophora williamsii populations.

-from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_Church






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From Roley's iLophophora Blog-

If you are referring to the "Fabled White Peyote" section of the "Native American Church" Wikipedia article, it's important to note the word "fabled". The information in this part of the NAC article is wildly unsubstantiated and should not be trusted - at least not before it is supported by serious references (which is highly unlikely to happen). M.S. Smith ventures as far as calling it crappola





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Comment by Mr. Smith- from http://www.entheogen.com/forum/showthre ... ite+peyote


L. brackii is named after Steve Brack of Mesa Garden, and he thought it sort of funny when I asked him about L. brackii. The Lophophora with the "Z" pattern, or more properly with raised diamond shaped tubercles (which give the apperence of the laughably discribed "Z pattern", is the higher elevation (this is a relative tern in relation to the surrounding low altitude flatlands) L. decipiens collected by Brack from near Viesca. It looks as though the plant Brack has claimed is L. decipiens is being claimed by others as L. brackii. L. decipiens and L. fricii are in my opinion a single L. williamsii subspecies, this even though they may represent two varieties of growth within the subspecies.

Navajo oral tradition could easily be referring to a non-Lophophora species of sacred cacti. Just because "L. brackii" (tehehehe) grows in a higher altitude in Mexico quite clearly doen't mean it, or any other Lophophora for that matter, can handle the much cooler temps in the Grand Canyon region.

~Michael~




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More commonts by Mr.Smith-

It should be of interest though to know that L. decipiens, a plant that that comes from the same immediate region and is pretty much the same as L. fricii with some minor variability from their particular niches, has been shown to have pellotine to mescaline concentrations similar to L. williamsii.


This is Lophophora fricii from the Viesca Coahuila area, supposedly it lives in the low-land while Lophophora decipiens var. brackii only grows in cracks on a few jutting rocky hills rising above the low-lands.



The above cactus apparently grows in the low-lands, near a lagoon?


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Lophophora fricii Habermann

Fricii- designated after A.V. Fric 1882-1944 a
czech collector of cacti

In habitat Lophophora fricii is a very mutable species. It´s hardly to find two similar plants at one location. Particularly in terms of the bloom they are different at the locations.

Distribution-
This species grows around the lagoon near Viesca in the state of Coahuila, Mexico.



Lophophora fricii forma albiflora

Distribution-
A specific place in habitat near Viesca in the state of Coahuila, Mexico.
It´s only a white flowering form of Lophophora fricii.


Lophophora williamsii var. decipiens Croizat

decipiens = deceptive

Distribution-
The location of this plants is unknown.

Plants, accordingly the description grows near El Amparo in the state Coahuila, Mexico.
This plants are counted among the form sphere from Lophophora fricii.


Looks like Viesca has more than one type of Lophophora fricii, and certainly a number of different strains and/or species of Lophophorae.

My question is... How did Lophophora decipiens var. brackii become know as "White Peyote", I thought the "White Peyote" was in the Grand Canyon area? It is much further south where Lophophora decipiens var. brackii grow, correct? Perhaps Lophophora decipiens var. brackii was part of the South range of these cacti and now are the only ones left in existance.

People were obvisouly using this peyote 1000s of years in that area...

The way it seems to me is that Lophophora brackii and "White Peyote" are just in the same article together... is there any other connection between them? Except that Lophophora decipiens var. brackii is possibly an actual white cactus.

I believe many more cacti were used other than Lophophora, I also believe different strains (some now extinct) were used in times long passed...

Why could Lophophorae's range have not extended into the Grand Canyon region in times long passed, when climate was a bit different back then, or even different varations of Lophophora that has now gone extinct?


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I also must note that the Tarahumara stament that other hikuri were servants to hikuli walula saeliami does not have anything to do with species classification, but purely plant size, and a large plant that grew towards the Rio Grande, not Viesca. And this not even considering its likely mythological basis, even if a large plant.



Perhaps, the "Hikuli Walula Saeliami" Cactus is the fabled "White Peyote"?

Does anybody have pics of whiteish, greyish or silverish Lophophora cacti? Or even just pics of different types of Lophophora decipiens cacti?

A very inteligent cactus grower stated to me in an email-

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I have some (Lophophora) fricii that are quite pale and silver grey white like, I imagine these must be something like that but a lighter shade?


What kind of argument can be made for the distictiveness of Lophophora brackii / Lophophora decepiens var. brackii as a species and not just a strain???

Does anybody know ANYTHING esle about this cactus?

Normally these myths have at least some truth to them...

... Sounds like an interesting cultivator.

Does anybody have any seeds or plants from Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico? I'd love to see pics, or even just hear a description of the botanical. How about any "super-strains" of Lophophora? High potency? Strange rib-patterns? Cold-hardy?



This will may turn out to be another "wild-cactus-chase"...

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'Coatl  Posted: Monday, August 25, 2008 2:03:36 PM      
 
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 My Personal Specimens "Peyotes" and "Lost Peyotes"-

Turbinicarpus lausseri (= Turbinicarpus pseudomacrochele var. lausseri) ~ 1.5"+ plant 9-10 years old-







Lophophora williamsii ~ "True Peyote"-







Astrophytum asterias "False Peyote"-





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FelixsMom  Posted: Friday, August 29, 2008 4:57:16 PM    
 

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My Personal Specimens "Peyotes" and "Lost Peyotes"-

WOW - COATL Awesome research project!

I have a friend who is considering some Trichocereus peruvianus bioassays sometime soon, and have heard mixed reports. Will be paying attention to your reports.

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'Coatl  Posted: Friday, August 29, 2008 5:48:05 PM      
 
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 Trichocereus peruvianus has many different strains, some entheogenically active, other not so much.

It HAS been proven tho.

Do NOT order a standard Trichocereus "peruvianus" from your standard run-of-the-mill ethnobotanical companys, they will send you a Trichocereus cuzcoensis which is almost completely inactive. Ask them if their Trichocereus peruvianus looks anything like Trichocereus cuzcoensis, if they don't know what the hell your talking about, don't buy from them.

Trichocereus bridgesii is your best bet if you don't want to go potent clone huntin'.

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FelixsMom  Posted: Friday, August 29, 2008 6:25:23 PM    
 

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"Trichocereus bridgesii is your best bet if you don't want to go potent clone huntin'.

Thanks Coatl, Roger that! I'll pass this on too.

- Not that clone huntin'is a BAD idea. I'm eager to hear how all goes, and if I remain unemployed much longer I may just join your quest in earnest...

F.M.

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'Coatl  Posted: Friday, August 29, 2008 7:18:05 PM      
 
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 No clone/strain huntin' is a great idea! I love it! But it's only a good idea if you like growing cacti, which I do very much.




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FelixsMom  Posted: Friday, August 29, 2008 7:36:58 PM    
 

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 'Coatl wrote:
No clone/strain huntin' is a great idea! I love it! But it's only a good idea if you like growing cacti, which I do very much.





Hahhah, well my (extremely limited) experience with cacti growing has taught me one thing:they're friendly little plants to grow, for people who are not necessarily good at gardening!

They are almost completely able to take care of themselves. It's almost impossible to kill a cactus plant with neglect, seems to me! (However, I am guessing that to grow them to be healthy and entheogenically correct that your gardening technique IS important!)

I have only had one experience to base this on, but it is encouraging as far as future plans. I received a living cactus gift once when I was in the hospital. My Mom took it home and it stayed in her kitchen, with no particular attention for 12 years until she got rid of it when they moved. That one cactus spawned babies for over a decade!

Here's a factoid some people may not know:
You, being a Cacti Expert probably are aware that Cacti grow abundantly in the jungle, not just the desert! My husband's family is from Rio, Brasil and we go there every year now.

One of the most shocking things for me, as a gringo, was to see the huge numbers of Amazonian cacti flourishing in the jungle.(I have not tried munching on any wild ones YET)

It still blows my mind.

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'Coatl  Posted: Friday, August 29, 2008 8:20:35 PM      
 
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 I'm certainly no "expert", but I did know that... read "A Cactus Oddessy", it's a wonderful book!

I wouldn't go round munching on wild cacti unless you know exactly what the are!

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FelixsMom  Posted: Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:06:22 PM    
 

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 'Coatl wrote:
I'm certainly no "expert", but I did know that... read "A Cactus Oddessy", it's a wonderful book!

I wouldn't go round munching on wild cacti unless you know exactly what the are!


U-Bet I'd never ever eat ANY new wild plants without a guide. So far, I've recognized some I believe to be edible - I think it's prickly pear growing all over on the Rio beaches. Not a definite I.D. Just a guess, but will be looking for pictures. Prickly pear's used in cooking; no entheogen here. But there are zillions of varieties up in the rainforest & mountains that I have seen which I do not recognize at all. Very interesting flora of all kinds there of course.
When I return Jan. '09 I plan to be a little better prepared ahead to do some research of these cacti and other jungle plants. Will look for Cactus Oddessy, thx. intriguing title.

Space is at a premium in my home, and this is something I would need to do indoors in the much cooler climate here. These beauties of yours look so nice in the pots, and cacti are pretty grower friendly in general. I have a cat but he doesn't bother my other plants.
HOWEVER if I had little budding and flowering jewelled cacti as pretty as yours, their beauty would surely save them from being munched, powdered or any other similarly undignified fate.



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'Coatl  Posted: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:34:34 PM      
 
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 Felix! You REALLY need Cactus Oddysey! It's basically about exactly what your planning!

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'Coatl  Posted: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:38:01 PM      
 
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 From what I can tell there are at least two kinds of Lophophora decipens, possibly more...

Lophophora decipiens forma. brackii and Lophophora decipiens...

One with raised diamond "Z" shaped turbercled ribs and the other with diffused non-tubercled ribs.

Give me some time and ill edit and make a full post.

So White peyote is one... and another is..? I donno, something esle.


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 i once at a handful of mammilaria fruits which i picked in the cacti department in a hardware store . i couldn't sleep that night. they got me pretty speedy. don't ask me what kind it was tho. it was different strains mixed i think. but all mammilaria.

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'Coatl  Posted: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:14:53 AM      
 
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 Interesting. Check those species for me if you can.



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 http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/i ... =0&start=0

http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/i ... =17627&hl=

http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/i ... =17060&hl=

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 Here we go... I hope this one doesn't get deleted (I think my last one was?)

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 Wow,

I didn't realize how many cacti's are psycoactive! Good info for sure.

I for one won't be deleting this thread.

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'Coatl  Posted: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:17:01 AM      
 
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 Well why the heck did y'all delete my last one?!

That was the only reason I didn't post this sooner!

Ya gotta give ole 'Coatl some time man! I'm very busy, but I got some good info!

I realize it's a cluster of info and questions right now... but I'm working on a book (Which will be free and posted online)

I'm also doing human bioassys of many of the above...

We know Mammiliaria craigii and Ariocarpus species are truely psychoactive, I'm sure there are many more.


Mammiliaria craigii is nice, I like it better than MDMA, very similar.


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The Traveler  Posted: Friday, July 25, 2008 1:59:42 PM    
 

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 Hey 'Coatl,

Nice list of cacti!

I was the one who deleted your last post, it was done since the first post only contained hype and no information at al. Also the use of words like "fuck", etc. shouldn't be used at the DMT-Nexus.

Thing was, when deleting a first post in a thread you delete the whole thread so your next posts containing the Cacti information was lost as well, sorry for that. As long as you don't post hype and don't use bad language your posts are safe.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

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acolon_5  Posted: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:37:23 PM    
 

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 'Coatl wrote:
Mammiliaria craigii is nice, I like it better than MDMA, very similar.



Sounds quite interesting. Tell me more about the Mammiliaria. Are the psycoactives known? What are the side effects? What about dosages?

My wife and I are looking for legal sensory enhancing, empathogenic compounds. Methylone is the only one that we have found that is even close to MDMA.

Also, I have not had much luck finding a cactus nursery that carries Mammillaria sonorensis (craigii). Can you provide me with a vendor that carries these?

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'Coatl  Posted: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:59:43 PM      
 
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 I'm REALLY gonna have to work on the cursing, all my other forums allow it, so please forgive me if I slip up, I tend to curse alot in my post, donno why...

Thanks for comin' in and explaining, I apperciate it!




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Are the psycoactives known?



You know... I don't even know what chemicals are in it, I just can't remember at the moment... Nor can I remember a link... sorry...


Never heard of Methylone... is it plant derived? Can ya link me?

I can def. find you a vendor!

Where is a good place for me to post that info? PM me? Or am I ok to post it in the thread? Or... maybe a vendors forum?

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'Coatl  Posted: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:09:42 AM      
 
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 Many of the "Lost Peyotes" contain all the "Lophophora-like" chemicals that Lophophora ~ "Peyote" has, they only lack the mescaline, so adding Trichocereus (mescaline) you can very closely mimic the Lophophora ~ "Peyote" experience without eating 3-7 large beautiful flowering Lophophora.

Here's what I suggest-

3-5 inchs of prep'ed and dried Trichocereus bridgesii

7-9 inchs of prep'ed and dried Trichocereus pachanoi or peruivanus (potent peruvianus, not cuzcoensis)

1-3 "Lost Peyotes" like- Ariocarpus spp., Coryphantha spp., Mammillaria spp., Pelecyphora aselliformis, Turbinicarpus spp.


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modsquad09  Posted: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:03:53 PM    
 

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 'Coatl wrote:
Many of the "Lost Peyotes" contain all the "Lophophora-like" chemicals that Lophophora ~ "Peyote" has, they only lack the mescaline, so adding Trichocereus (mescaline) you can very closely mimic the Lophophora ~ "Peyote" experience without eating 3-7 large beautiful flowering Lophophora.

Here's what I suggest-

3-5 inchs of prep'ed and dried Trichocereus bridgesii

7-9 inchs of prep'ed and dried Trichocereus pachanoi or peruivanus (potent peruvianus, not cuzcoensis)

1-3 "Lost Peyotes" like- Ariocarpus spp., Coryphantha spp., Mammillaria spp., Pelecyphora aselliformis, Turbinicarpus spp.



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acolon_5  Posted: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:46:36 PM    
 

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 Trichocereus bridgesii is my favorite Trichocereus. It is really a deeper experience than Pedros or Torchs.

I really like the idea of mimicing peyote using multiple cacti's!

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'Coatl  Posted: Monday, July 28, 2008 4:56:33 PM      
 
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 Trichocereus bridgesii and espeically Trichocerus bridgesii var. monstrose offer more of the "Peyote-like" chemicals, which may account for its more "Lophophora-like" intoxication, which some prefer.

Trichocereus pachanoi offers a more "MDMA +'shrooms-like" experience in my opinion.

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suicybe  Posted: Sunday, August 03, 2008 9:25:12 AM    
 

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Q- age/size of lost peyotes to include in the mix
Q- wouldnt heavy brigdesii simulate more peyote like experience over panch./peru.

Q- consider a cactus stew? perhaps in liquid the synergistic effects of full spectrum alkaloids can be better felt instead of digesting different chemicals at different rates

 
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'Coatl  Posted: Sunday, August 03, 2008 3:14:29 PM      
 
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Q- age/size of lost peyotes to include in the mix


Use only mature flowering specimens.


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Q- wouldnt heavy brigdesii simulate more peyote like experience over panch./peru.


Bridgesii already contains (most of) the "Lophophora-like" chemicals, why add more?


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Q- consider a cactus stew? perhaps in liquid the synergistic effects of full spectrum alkaloids can be better felt instead of digesting different chemicals at different rates


I don't think it would make much of a difference.

Good to see you finally on the forums, suicybe, I'm proud of you!

[Anonymous]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Syd]

wtf mate!!!

[Anonymous]

Hello?

[judih]

teo, syd took the question outa my mouth.
posting threads from another site seems dubious. If you have information you want to share, that's one thing, but what is your reason for posting other people's comments?