Chaliponga Seeds

[dendro]

Alan, is there any way to express mail a living chali leaf fast enuff to arrive in USA fresh enuff to root?

If not, I would be thrilled to buy a rooted cutting, verdad...

[Anonymous]

Anyway you can get a growing plant into America, Australia and Europe would be AMAZING!!!

Many of us have waited on this plant for a VERY, VERY long time!

I suggest you ship 5-25 living Diplopterys plants to multiple people in America and around the world!

Attempt to pick the plants which are most potent, with the best genetics so we may propagate this amazing plant all over the world!!!

[Amomynous]

Here in the jungles of Peru and Ecuador, neither I nor anyone that I have met has ever seen it flower.

Well why aren't you shipping us cuttings then? If you live there and see these plants all the time, than PLEASE help us all out and mail somebody a few 100 cuttings!

Alan gave me some cuttings from his garden a few years back when I was in Peru. I, er, "brought" them back through customs, but alas, I was unable to get them to root.

Diolopterys is a vey difficult plant (unlike, for example, caapi, which is very easy to root).

Are your sure it's real Diplopterys? Have you ever brewed with it?

LoL!

[Anonymous]

Hey I didn't know who he was, geeze!

It may be difficult, but it's not impossible! We NEED to grow Diplopterys!

Somebody NEEDS to mail a big huge well rooted plant! It'll totally be worth it!

I'll go do it myself if I have to!!!

[Amomynous]

No I'm not kidding.

I personally know people who have obtained their Diplopterys plants from the germination of seeds.

How can you be sure? For one thing, the misidentification of plants is pretty common. I once paid a lot of money for a Diplop that, when grown out, was in fact a caapi. I also once bought a chacruna that, when grown out to flower, turned out to be Psychotria alba. And these purchases were from reputable vendors.

So how do you know?

We know so very little about this amazing botanical!

What do you mean by "we?" Some people know quite a lot about it. And if you know so little, how do you know it's amazing?

[Anonymous]

How can you be sure? For one thing, the misidentification of plants is pretty common. I once paid a lot of money for a Diplop that, when grown out, was in fact a caapi. I also once bought a chacruna that, when grown out to flower, turned out to be Psychotria alba. And these purchases were from reputable vendors.

So how do you know?

Ever heard of "Torsten" the owner of the Corroboree?

This guy knows his shit.

What do you mean by "we?" Some people know quite a lot about it. And if you know so little, how do you know it's amazing?

We as a community. I don't think anybody knows that much about it... at least not ENOUGH... but can you ever really know enough? The little I know... is that it's amazing!

[Amomynous]

Alan, is there any way to express mail a living chali leaf fast enuff to arrive in USA fresh enuff to root?

Do you think leaf propagation would work with chaliponga? It works well for chacruna, but I have no idea if it would work
for chaliponga (and, given the dificulty I've heard people have in rooting this plant, my guess is that it wouldn't work,
but it would be great if it did).

[Amomynous]

How can you be sure? For one thing, the misidentification of plants is pretty common. I once paid a lot of money for a Diplop that, when grown out, was in fact a caapi. I also once bought a chacruna that, when grown out to flower, turned out to be Psychotria alba. And these purchases were from reputable vendors.

So how do you know?

Ever heard of "Torsten" the owner of the Corroboree?

Yes, I know Torsten. If he says that he has grown out chaliponga from seed, I would at least consider it seriously.

Although you originally said "people." Did you just mean "a person?"

We as a community. I don't think anybody knows that much about it... at least not ENOUGH... but can you ever really know enough? The little I know... is that it's amazing!

Amazing in what way?

[Stonehenge]

I don't believe chaliponga never flowers. All plants in the wild flower. All cultivated plants flower except a few cultivars such as kava, corn and so on. Some species of bamboo only flower every 100 years or longer. Someone watching that plant will tell you it never flowers, but it does. Their parents may never have seen it flower and even their grandparents. But someday it will flower. I believe it's the same with chaliponga.

Who says caapi is easy to root? It can be done if your tec is good but it's not as easy as p viridis, for example.

[mariella]

Chaliponga is also known as Oco-yage. "Oco" is indigenous for "water". It's a water loving plant and so that's the way that I've been able to get them growing and once they get going, they really take off, growing quickly and sending out many many vines.
I'll ask my friend if he thinks he can ship some live cuttings... but I don't think he can get them out of Peru, much less entered into another country.
I'm in complete agreement that it must flower at some point... but as I said, no one that I have spoken with in 16 years here has seen it in flower. I've got another really beautiful plant in my garden here.. have no idea what it is, but it grows up the side of my wall, flowers, drops a few seeds and dies. then the seeds take and it keeps repeating this cycle over and  over... bizarre plant.

[Amomynous]

Who says caapi is easy to root? It can be done if your tec is good but it's not as easy as p viridis, for example.

Well, I'm no expert -- having only tried it twice -- but it rooted both times I tried. This was with fairly thick, fresh root.

I've rooted psychotria, but it took a long, long time. I had actually given up on it when it surprised me and finally rooted.

[Anonymous]

Do you think leaf propagation would work with chaliponga? It works well for chacruna, but I have no idea if it would work
for chaliponga (and, given the dificulty I've heard people have in rooting this plant, my guess is that it wouldn't work,
but it would be great if it did).

I bet if you can do it with Caapi you can do it with Diplopterys!

I'll ask my friend if he thinks he can ship some live cuttings... but I don't think he can get them out of Peru, much less entered into another country.

Somebody has got to do it! We would be forever greatful if you could just get a few potent clones out!

[catfish]

Mr and Mrs Shoemaker
please excuse teotzcoatl's behavior
it is not indicative of us all
he has been banned form several forums
for his behavior

[Anonymous]

I'm sorry if I have offended ethier of you Mr. & Mrs. Shoemaker.

[Stonehenge]

Catfish, has Teo done something wrong in this thread which has not been already addressed? It does not seem fair to keep bringing up what may have happened elsewhere. Certain people are waiting for a slip so they can jump on him. If he does something wrong, then fine, but don't keep harping on old stuff if he's trying to do better now.

Teo, it's all up to you. Think before you speak.