No drug charges for Amy Winehouse

[JRL]

PS another tune that deals with these issues is Dirty Laundry, by The Eagles or Don Henley.

[JRL]

BTW

"lw, you have been warned several times about personal attacks. You keep doing snide remarks and so on. This is not helpful nor is it needed. I made no attacks against you in this thread or elsewhere. If you keep on it may be more than a warning next time even though you are a long time member"

Leave the moderating of this forum to me and Fuzz please>

[Stonehenge]

I don't use i-tunes. I barely can get flash to work. Thank you for your offer. I will make a renewed attempt to get the latest version of flash. Last few times I tried, it just didn't do anything. The red "x" was lit showing somthing going on but it never down loaded.

"I don't think celebrities should be held to a lower standard, but is it fair to hold them to a higher standard? Would Amy have even been in court if some asshole hadn't planted a camera in her house?? "

I never said she should have been prosecuted for that nor did I say law enforcement was the answer to addiction. You are the one using straw man arguments and trying to put words in my mouth I didn't say. I simply said that each person must take responsibility for their lives, even celebrities. You keep dodging that issue. What else are you dodging?

I've had addiction issues, not serious ones like crack but anything is bad enough. I beat it by doing what I had to do. If it's booze, go AA and the 12 step program. There is help available to anyone who wants it but they have to really want to beat it. Not just go through the motions for a few days and then give in again because they are rich and can do anything they want.

You want to know who I feel sorry for? I feel sorry for the people who try really hard, who do all the things they are supposed to and still can't get anywhere because things outside their control messes them up. Things like getting fired from the job when the boss finds out they are a recovering drunk or addict. Things like mean probation officers violating them for nothing. You think being rich is a hardship? Being poor is the real hardship.

You are the mod here and no one has been second guessing your decisions. I am a site mod and my warning to lw stands. We do not make personal attacks here or nasty snide remarks. Anyone can get carried away and go a tiny bit over the line now and then. You like to take a few potshots yourself, don't you? Several of your comments to me have been borderline.

We all are supposed to observe the rules. If I started following someone around and harassing them, I'm sure I would get talked to about that. Why should I have to put up with it? I dont harass him. No one should have to put up with it. There are no privileged characters here. All anyone has to do is act halfway decent. Is that too much to ask?

If you want to discuss music and the issues, fine. If you want to turn it into an attack against me, I will bow out. So far it's been pretty good. I'm glad you discovered some things you had overlook because of this discussion. Hopefully I will learn something new about Amy and perhaps become one of her fans. I will still hope she shows some signs of maturity.

[JRL]

Sounds good. I admit I got carried away. I'd rather not dwell on the negative. And I would never say being poor is better than being rich, just that being rich brings its own problems especialy when complicated by fame and show business. Every life has its hardships and dangers, the rock star life has its own unique pitfalls, particulary given the types of  people that that involved with music as an art form. Its a slippery slope that most people can't climb.

But I would much rather talk about music, a subject of endless facination.

[judih]

Report: Singer Amy Winehouse to undergo drug rehab in Israel  
 
By Haaretz Service  
 

Grammy Award winning recording artist Amy Winehouse is due in Israel "within weeks" to undergo a drug rehabilitation program, according to the London-based Jewish Chronicle newspaper.

The report quoted a senior official in the Israel Anti-Drug Authority, Eliezer Cohen, who said Winehouse will receive "medical care, which is a very short, intensive and effective treatment."

"They spoke to a renowned Israeli institution and an Israeli professor who conducts a very special and effective method," Cohen said. [Winehouse] has requested to come to him to do this method, since it's a method that is suitable for her."
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The Chronicle reported that the professor in question is Dr. Andre Waismann, whose "Accelerated Neuro-Regulation" method, whereby the patient undergoes an intense withdrawal period while under anaesthesia, produces a high success rate.

"All of my patients are discharged healthy and no longer dependent," Waisman, the head of the ANR clinic at Barzilai Medical Center in Ashkelon, told the Chronicle. "There is a misunderstanding about drug addiction. People think it is a social and psychological problem, but it's a neurological problem."

"Whether it's Amy Winehouse or anyone else, it is a privilege to be able to treat anyone who is opiate-dependent, and allow them to live a normal life," the Chronicle quoted him as saying.

Waisman introduced the technique 10 years ago, and offers the treatment to private patients from abroad for an estimated $12,700, according to the report.

Winehouse's hospitalization is expected to span three days, after which she is to be discharged to a hotel and encouraged to engage in physical activity to "enhance her mental state," according to the Chronicle.

link: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/986518.html
may 24/08
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note from judih: This, apparently, is not the first time for Amy to get this treatment. It does in 24 hrs what the usual 5 day stint accomplishes - re-designing cellular structure to approximate healthy cells that are no longer dependent on the addicted substance.

Hope it works this time.

[JRL]

"People think it is a social and psychological problem, but it's a neurological problem."

That is an understanding I am coming to agree with, it's in the very fabric of your being. I really hope it works.

[kemp]

"People think it is a social and psychological problem, but it's a neurological problem." I read that quote and that just doesn't sound right.
I really think it's all those things, it's complicated.
Just like most depression is a combination of things.... not just a 'lack of serotonin' that many seem to profess. Although, it's possible that there could be just the one specific reason, I think thats rare.

I truly hope it works for her too... tho I wonder if Ibogaine might be a better alternative.

[laughingwillow]

I'm with you, Kemp about the complicated nature of addiction..

I was thinking Ibogaine, too.

lw

[senorsalvia]

I tend to think the problem is very complex, neurological, psychological, maladaptive sociological, ad infinitum....  I'm hoping the best for her.  Sounds like the treatment is exhobitant in expense though...  My own experience with heroin withdrawal and rehab was  a markedly different approach, though it was a sucess, and only cost about fifty bucks and took three days....  Ya see, when I got back from the service, and was a junkie, I knew damn well I did not have the job nor criminal skills to support a $250 USD a day habit...  What was I to do??  I scored myself an oz of Mary J. and a case of Bud.  I drove out to some remote farm road in the county and parked the car.  Through the rest of that weekend I slowly drank the beer and toked away as my withdrawal took place.  Hell, it musta worked...  It's been nearly 35yrs now, so I figure the kick was a success...  Either that, or I'm still in a shaky semi - remission :wink: ;  Your call -------

[Stonehenge]

Sal, my hat is off to you for your successful rehab. It shows something I've been saying all along. The main ingredient is the person being determined to get over it. Many junkies have said that heroin was relatively easy compared to quitting cigarettes. They could quit the junk but not the ciggies. Others can't quit anything. Anyone who does it and stays dry for 35 years is a winner.

I think it's a combination of things; social, psychological and of course physical. To say it's all physical is a cop out. That gives a free pass to the person to go back to it again and again.

Some people complete physical therapy after a serious injury and do remarkably well. They are the ones who refuse to let pain stop them from doing what they need to do. It's easy to make an excuse and say it hurts too much and they are doing all they could. Then they end up partly crippled the rest of their lives while the ones who bit the bullet got better. Physical therapy = pain and torture or PT for short.

In life, the ones who succeed are the ones who bite the bullet and do whatever they have to do to get well, get over something, get training, or get a better life, as the case may be. The doctor or therapist can only do so much. The rest is up to the patient.

[JRL]

I guess you guys are right, it definitly is complex. Addiction is an ordeal and beating often takes heroic efforts. Has anyone seen a study of the long term success of ibogane users? Staying clean is the hard part, after the physical part is over the real work begins.

[senorsalvia]

As far as the Ibogaine success rate:  From what I've read and guesstimated, I find myself thinking the sucess rate is 50-60%... Nothing to sneeze at...  It's so saddens me and grinds upon my sense of practicality to see so many governments hiding behind the WOD in matters such as this...  From medical MJ, to the vast array of naturally effective ethnobotanicals that work their magic on both spirit and mind; I find myself frustrated and angry that our benevolent rullers would roll the dice with " We 'Da Peeps " wellbeing...       As far as my own ahem, rehabilitation...  Well, I'd surely doubt that your average white Christian conservative Republican would find me to be "" well adjusted "", let alone will I ever be dressed in the cloak of ""Model Citizen"" :wink:   Guess some of us are destined to walk the path of  the  societal  deviant : :twisted:

[Stonehenge]

You've all heard about this. After her so called "rehab" she shows up late, gives a lame performance and has cuts all over her arms. Her voice was said to be cracked and thin. If someone is determined to screw up their life, there is nothing anyone can do to stop them. I hear crack is really harsh on the throat and lungs. I wonder how much longer the fans will support her?

(LISBON, Portugal) Amy Winehouse, in her first concert since leaving rehab, showed up almost an hour late, appeared distracted and had visible cuts on her arm and a bandage on her hand.

Her performance in front of 90,000 people, at an outdoor performance at a music festival in Lisbon, Portugal, was brief, clocking in at 55 minutes.

[JRL]

She should talk to Sly Stone, see how far that kind of stuff got him.

A lot of times what happens is people like Amy or Jerry Garcia, being the cash cows supporting huge organizations, get rushed back to work way before they are medically or psychologicaly ready. Any one with an illness should have all the time they need to get better.

The thing about rehab, if you go back to the exact same circumstance you were in before you went into rehab, the prognosis is not good. Beating addiction is tough. I wonder if rehab would have made my struggles any easier. Bottom line is you need a reason, something that you want that continueing to use makes impossible.

I sure hope she gets it together, it's looking pretty bleak right now.

[laughingwillow]

I'm guessing Amy's psychological issues go deeper than addiction.

lw