Super Tuesday Results...... click here

[laughingwillow]

So, I woke up this morning and took a look at the local paper. It claimed that Hillary won a close evening of primary elections.

Then I get to snooping on da net and learn that Obama won the majority of states as well as available delegates. Matter of fact, his tally now surpasses Clinton's and that includes her 100 or so super delegates.

I'm still not sure how Hillary managed to spin those results into a close victory for her side in the national media this morning.

lw

[JRL]

I know what you mean. Kind of plays into my fears about Hillary's connections. She's just too entrenched.

[Stonehenge]

It just shows what I've been saying all along. The media is totally biased on everything. They don't report the news as much as report their spin on the news.

The report I saw said Obama got a majority of the states but the delegates were "close". The photo they showed was of Hill-billy. Obama's photo was on the inside page. Typical media crap.

I'm thinking if the bitch does manage to weasel her way into the nomination, that might pave the way for McCain to win. He's seen as a moderate on the repub side and the bitch is seen by most as an extreme liberal. I don't want either but will never vote for the bitch no matter what. The conservative repubs don't like him but will go the route of 'lesser of the evils' and vote him if the alternative is Hill-billy.

I don't like "Billary", I think Hillbilly is a better name for the bitch. What do the others think?

[Stonehenge]

Today I read that Hillbilly has 1045 and Obama 960. Something does not jive.

[winder]

Well, Obama is raking in the cash since Tuesday, about $7.4 MM to her paltry $2 MM over 2 days, is what I read.

[laughingwillow]

This is from yesterday.

David Plouffe, Obama's campaign manager, said during a conference call this morning that the candidate accumulated 847 delegates to Clinton's 834 by winning more states than Clinton did and piling up large margins of victory in those states. That would bring the total delegate count to 910 for Obama and 882 for Clinton, he said.

Then it goes on to say.......

A total of 1,681 Democratic delegates were at stake in the voting across 22 states. An Associated Press count, which was not yet complete, showed Clinton, 60, won at least 584 delegates yesterday compared with 569 for Obama. That would give Clinton 845 in the total delegate count versus 765 for Obama.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=home

Obama Says He Leads in Delegates After Super Tuesday (Update2)
By Jeff Bliss



Feb. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Barack Obama said he emerged from Super Tuesday as the leader in the delegate count over Hillary Clinton in a Democratic presidential race that both campaigns expect will be a protracted battle.

Clinton's advisers said the two candidates would end up after yesterday's voting separated by no more than five or six delegates, who will determine the party's nominee for the general election in November.

``Two weeks ago, nobody thought we would come out of Feb. 5th standing,'' Obama, an Illinois senator, said today in Chicago. ``But we won more delegates and we won more states.''

Super Tuesday left Arizona Senator John McCain in clear command of the Republican presidential contest with victories in nine of 21 states holding contests, including six that awarded delegates on a winner-take-all basis.

Democratic delegates, which are awarded based on a combination of popular votes statewide and results in congressional districts, were still being tallied in states such as New Mexico and Missouri because of close margins between the two Democratic candidates.

David Plouffe, Obama's campaign manager, said during a conference call this morning that the candidate accumulated 847 delegates to Clinton's 834 by winning more states than Clinton did and piling up large margins of victory in those states. That would bring the total delegate count to 910 for Obama and 882 for Clinton, he said.

Obama's Strategy

Obama pursued a strategy of cultivating Democrats who voted in caucuses and those who lived in smaller states that are dominated by Republicans, such as Kansas, Idaho and Alaska.

Clinton won eight states, including most of the biggest in play yesterday -- California, New York and New Jersey -- with an average margin of victory of 18 percentage points.

While the 13 states Obama took include some of the smallest in terms of available delegates, his average margin of victory was 26 percentage points.

A candidate needs 2,025 delegates to secure the nomination.

``Super Tuesday proved to be a very poor tool for getting definitive nominees,'' said Steffen Schmidt, a political science professor at Iowa State University in Ames, Iowa. ``It is possible that this will not be settled until the Democratic convention.''

`A Draw'

Advisers to New York Senator Clinton, 60, declined to release their estimates. Guy Cecil, Clinton's political field director, said on a conference call that the campaign's current count shows Clinton ahead by one delegate, with more delegates to be counted. He said he expects the final margin will be narrow.

The results are ``essentially bringing yesterday to a draw on delegates,'' he said.

A total of 1,681 Democratic delegates were at stake in the voting across 22 states. An Associated Press count, which was not yet complete, showed Clinton, 60, won at least 584 delegates yesterday compared with 569 for Obama. That would give Clinton 845 in the total delegate count versus 765 for Obama.

McCain won at least 511 delegates yesterday compared with 176 for former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney and 147 for former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, according to AP. That brings McCain's total delegate count to 613 while Romney garnered 269 and Huckabee 190. A candidate needs 1,191 delegates to win the Republican nomination.

McCain

McCain said today he was canceling a planned trip to a defense conference this weekend in Europe to campaign for the next round of contests: Louisiana and Kansas on Feb. 9 and Maryland, Virginia and Washington D.C. on Feb. 12.

``I think we have to wrap this up as quickly as possible,'' McCain, 71, said in Phoenix.

The candidate has declared himself the front-runner and his advisers say there is little chance his lead can be overcome.

``The math is nearly impossible for Mitt Romney to win the nomination,'' McCain adviser Charlie Black wrote in a campaign memo distributed to reporters.

In addition to pledged delegates awarded in primaries and caucuses, Clinton and Obama, 46, are vying for almost 800 so- called super delegates, Democratic officeholders and party officials who are free to back any candidate.

Obama and Clinton campaign advisers said the super delegates could be crucial to deciding the party's nominee at the Democratic National Convention, which opens Aug. 25.

Clinton campaign advisers said her victories in delegate- rich states such as California and New York would show super delegates that she's the party's most viable national candidate.

``A lot of super delegates will be looking at the map and will be looking at, well, who do they really think is the candidate who can take on the Republicans,'' said Mark Penn, Clinton's chief strategist.

Obama said that super delegates would consider who had more delegates at the convention.

``Those super delegates will have to think long and hard about who they'll support because the people they represent have said, `Obama's our guy,''' he said.

To contact the reporter on this story: Jeff Bliss in Washington mailto:jbliss@bloomberg.net">jbliss@bloomberg.net

Last Updated: February 6, 2008 17:15 EST

[cenacle]

From what I hear, it may be a horse race to the Dems Convention in Denver this summer, but what concerns me, albeit only somewhat, are the "super delegates," about 700 or so elected officials and, strangely, some others, none of whom are obligated to Obama or Clinton, and who could have a major say should it come down to a "brokered" convention.

We'll see. It looks good, overall though. McCain is hated by much of his own party base, and is doing little to win them over.

I know Bu$h is at 30 percent approval, record low, and nobody gives a shit for him anymore, but he's still got his finger on the button. I wish it was January 2009 and we were watching him fumble through his farewell address. I don't want to be paranoid, but it's been a hard decade for us all...

but, to end on a good note, so many Republicans in Congress are retiring that the possibility of them winning back control is virtually nil.

[Stonehenge]

Repubs do not = bad and democraps do not = good. That simplistic notion is what will keep you enslaved. As a matter of fact, Mccain is seen as a moderate by both parties and by independents. There is a very real chance that if the bitch gets the nomination that she will lead the party to ruin.

This is supposed to be the demos election to lose. But they are very very good at losing so don't put anything past them. Hill-billy is seen by much of the public as an extreme liberal and Mccain as a moderate. If it's Mccain vs Hillbilly, many political observers are calling it for Mccain. Him vs Obama is a lot tougher to call. Obama is very liberal but doesn't have all the negative baggage that the bitch has. There is a considerable block known as the ABC which stands for Anyone But Cllinton.

The neocons and religious nuts do not like Mccain at all. But, given a choice between him and the bitch, they will hold their nose and pull the "R" lever just like cenacle will always pull the "D" lever. Lesser of the evils, you know. With Mccain picking up much of the liberal and moderate vote which is Hillbilly's mainstay, and with the conservatives having no where else to go, Hill may be the next Dukakis.

[cenacle]

McCain is a weak candidate and voter turnout during the Republican primaries has been very low. The antagonism his party's base has for him is real, and widespread. His pro-abortion stance alone will keep a lot of them away, and many won't come out. Also his calls for endless war and telling people jobs aren't coming back.

I think the clamor for change is pretty strong this year, and it doesn't seem to be lessening. I have more faith right now in Obama and hope he continues to have success. Nothing is going to be solved easily next year, but I'm personally hopeful right now. I think most anyone will take a bit of hope over a cynic's bullying words.

[Stonehenge]

Cen, you are seeing everything through the prism of your extreme left views. The right is not going to stay home just because they don't like Mccain. Hate is as strong an emotion as liking and they hate Hill-billy plenty. They may stay home if it's Obama vs Mccain but if there is a chance the bitch will win, they will come out for the R candidate. Like I say, they will hold their nose and vote for him, abortion or no abortion. You should know about the 'lesser of the evils' argument. You use it all the time.

I don't like Mccain that much though a few years ago he sounded good. He sold out and while I think he'd be a better president than Billary, I don't think I'll vote for him because of his insane pro-war stance.

[OBODAOUR]

I <3 Hillary!

[laughingwillow]

Love away, sport. Love away....

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/ ... 22&sp=true

Obama surges past Clinton in Democratic race
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MILWAUKEE (Reuters) - Barack Obama has surged past Hillary Clinton to open a big national lead in the Democratic presidential race, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

Obama also leads Republican front-runner John McCain in a potential November election match-up while Clinton trails McCain, enhancing Obama's argument he is the Democrat with the best shot at capturing the White House.

Among Republicans, McCain has a substantial national lead over his last major challenger, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, as he takes his final steps toward clinching the nomination.

Heading into crucial March 4 nominating contests in Ohio and Texas, Obama has gained the upper hand in a close and fierce Democratic duel with Clinton. McCain broke open the Republican race and has driven out most of his leading rivals.

The poll showed Obama with a 14-point edge over Clinton, 52 percent to 38 percent, after being in a statistical tie with the New York senator last month.

Obama's new lead follows a string of 10 wins in February for the Illinois senator, who has moved ahead in the battle for pledged delegates who vote on the party's nominee at the August convention.

"Obama has the hot hand and you can clearly see his momentum in the national numbers," pollster John Zogby said. "This is what happens when you win a bunch of primaries in a row -- or maybe this is why you win a bunch of primaries in a row."

The poll was taken last Wednesday through Saturday, before a weekend controversy over Obama's uncredited recycling of speech lines from a friend, and before Obama captured two more wins in Wisconsin and Hawaii on Tuesday to extend his winning streak.

In the poll, Obama led Clinton among Democrats and independents, in all age groups except seniors and in all income groups except those making under $25,000 a year. He led narrowly among whites and more widely among men. He was tied among women with Clinton, who would be the first woman U.S. president.

Obama, who would be the first black U.S. president, was the choice of 4 of 5 black voters. Clinton attracted two-thirds of Hispanic voters, who comprise a big bloc in Texas.

"It can all turn on a dime and it already has turned on a dime. This has been a roller coaster of a race," Zogby said.

OBAMA BEATS MCCAIN

In a head-to-head matchup, Obama beat McCain 47 percent to 40 percent. He led McCain among independents, in all age groups except those above 70, and in all regions but the South.

McCain beat Clinton 50 percent to 38 percent in a head-to-head matchup. The Arizona senator led Clinton in all regions of the country, among independents and in all age groups.

"At least for now, these numbers suggest Obama has the potential to build a stronger general election coalition than Clinton," Zogby said. "They also suggest Clinton has a lot of catching up to do."

McCain picked up 18 percent of the black vote in a match-up with Clinton but only 3 percent against Obama, a possible sign at least some black voters would not put aside their allegiance to Obama if Clinton won the nomination.

"There could be potentially disaffected Obama supporters who will vote for Obama but not Clinton," Zogby said.

In the Republican race, McCain led Huckabee by 47 percent to 32 percent, gaining 19 points in a month marked by a series of primary wins that gave him a commanding delegate lead in the race for the nomination.

Huckabee says he will stay in the Republican race until McCain wins the 1,191 delegates needed to clinch the nomination. His presence is a reminder of McCain's trouble with conservatives, who are unhappy with his stances on immigration and other issues.

Huckabee, an ordained Baptist minister whose rise has been fueled by support from religious conservatives, led 51 percent to 29 percent among those who described themselves as very conservative.

The other remaining Republican candidate, Texas Rep. Ron Paul, drew 7 percent, with 8 percent unsure of their support.

The poll surveyed 494 likely Democratic primary voters and 434 likely Republican primary voters, with a margin of error of plus or minus 4.5 percentage points for Democrats and 4.8 percentage points for Republicans.

(Editing by Eric Beech)

(For more about the U.S. political campaign, visit Reuters "Tales from the Trail: 2008" online here)

[Stonehenge]

Yeah, Hillary is the repubs wet dream for demo candidate. She is about the only one they can beat. I saw a cartoon recently of the demo donkey wearing a suicide bomb vest with his finger on the button and pondering a back room deal for the nomination. If Hillbilly comes out of that back room with the nod, not having the popular vote, say "president Mccain" and see how it sounds.

The crookedness in NY does not surprise me either. The repubs are not the only ones who know how to steal an election or stuff a ballot box, block access, etc. They are just better at it than the D's. If Hill thinks she can out cheat the R's with Diebold in their pocket, she has another think coming. Black districts giving 0 votes for Obama is really believeable. They will jigger it around a while to make it sound better before they certify the results.

The Billy portion of the Hillbilly team has already gotten public reprimands from the demos for unseemly attacks on his wife's rivals. It's really sad seeing an ex-president get down and wrestle in the mud like that. He, like his wife, has no shame at all. Chelsea has even been recruited to campaign for them. With all that white house "experience" she has, look for her to make a run one of these days.