Hillary got stomped! Is she finished?

[senorsalvia]

Hillary ahead in delegate count!!!!   Readine the morning paper, I noticed that after the protracted hand count of the New Mexico vote, they are saying that Hillary has the lead....  Anybody confirm or deny?

[Stonehenge]

Sal, there are always 3 or 4 versions of the delegate count. Each candidate has a widely differing figure and the media usually has been favoring Hill. She picked up one more delegate in N Mexico giving her 14 to Obama's 12. I don't think she is ahead overall no matter what the story said that you read. Read it more closely and you might find that they used weasel words to give that impression. I see that a lot.

Hillbilly seems to be getting more and more desperate just as I predicted. Her attacks on Obama are getting ever more shrill and nasty. Now she paints herself as being against politics as usual and Obama as being old style politics and more beholden to special interests than she is.

Her nose is getting longer.

[senorsalvia]

"Her nose is getting longer"   :lol:  :lol: ----  Ha, you got that right....  Hearing how she's running around doing all the hand wringing and bitching about wanting to allow the Florida primary to be counted is so lame...  I mean she's obviously an old political hack and all, but I can't help but wonder why she isn't embarrased by her blatant attempts to rally what appears to be a lost cause.....

[Stonehenge]

Hill has no shame, Sal. That's one of her and Billy's trademarks. I will admit old Bill looks better in hindsight than he did at the time. Anyone looks better than the current occupant.

A story that has come out recently is Billary's work for a known communist early in her career. She also was working on the case of the black panthers who were on trial for torturing and killing a federal agent.

I think people have a right to work for whomever they wish and the justice system allows us to root for someone no matter what they are accused of. But, this is going to play into the hands of the repubs like mad. They are rubbing their hands in glee hoping Hillbilly get the nomination. They figure she will be dead meat. The moderates and the right will likely go to Mccain and all Hill will have left will be the far left. You can not win without the center, no one has done it yet.

I heard that Rush Limbaugh said he is giving money to Hillary. I wouldn't doubt it though he won't vote for her no matter how much he hates Mccain. The right really has no where else to go. If they sit it out and she wins, they will be the traitors to the party.

If Hill gets the nomination in a back room deal, I predict a landslide for the repubs. I don't want to see that but the demos are so good at self destruction it would not surprise me one bit. Hill will take down the party rather than give up her ego.

[laughingwillow]

link

OBAMA ROBBED IN NY
By GINGER ADAMS OTIS

February 16, 2008 -- Barack Obama's primary-night results were strikingly under recorded in several congressional districts around the city - in some cases leaving him with zero votes when, in fact, he had pulled in hundreds, the Board of Elections said today
Unofficial primary results gave Obama no votes in nearly 80 districts, including Harlem's 94th and other historically black areas - but many of those initial tallies proved to be wildly off the mark, the Board of Elections confirmed.
Truth is, in some districts getting a recount, the senator from Illinois is even close to defeating Hillary Clinton.
Initial results in the 94th District, for example, showed a 141-0 sweep for the New York senator, but Board of Elections spokeswoman Valerie Vazquez said today that the ongoing recount had changed the tally to 261-136.
As yet, none of the results has been certified, Vazquez said, adding that the Board of Elections had begun a painstaking ballot-by-ballot canvassing of all voting machines four days after the Feb. 5 election.
"We are doing a recanvass, and we will be counting all paper ballots, including absentee ones," Vazquez said.
"Some initial tallies had zeros, but it was most likely due to human error. Those were unofficial numbers, and no confirmed results have been released yet."
In a predominantly black Brooklyn district for which Clinton was given credit for a 118-0 victory on Primary Night, the Board of Elections' latest figures indicate that she may not even come out the winner - Obama currently has 116 votes to her 118.

[cenacle]

LW--I looked for this story other than the NY Post and didn't find it, strange. I certainly hope they get that straightened out promptly. There is so much voter box irregularity fear around right now, and rightly.

I've been reading about Dem Party elders' attempts to avoid a brokered convention, and all I can think is: we're depending on the superdelegates to do the right thing, the will of the people. That's a whole lot of trust, and frankly the Democratic Party isn't meriting a whole lot of trust right now. If the primary season ends in a close race still, I don't know what the hell is going to happen.

I give them credit for censuring Bolten and Miers, and for defeating Bush on extending his "Protect Corporate America," er, "Protect America" extension of the FISA Act. What I don't credit them for is any movement on getting us out of the Occupation of Iraq, or making any meaningful moves on the tanking US economy. Leaving extended unemployment benefits out of the recent so-called economic stimulus bill just rips me up. Send everyone a check and expect them to spend it and the economy improves, voila? Are you kidding me? Rich folks will toss that check on their pile, poor folks will pay bills.

Bush is apparently in Africa right now, ironically at a time when his new budget proposal slashes aid to African countries. If it wasn't for the Occupation, and the crappy economy hurting real folks, I'd kind of wish he'd just stay there til Jan 20, 2009. Maybe some little tribe deep in the jungle will make him their king, celebrate by shrinking his head in the night. If it can get any more shrunken.

[laughingwillow]

The people of Africa REALLY like Bush. And I think that's crazy. (I teach english to folks fresh off da boat and there are many peeps from all parts of Africa in me classes.)

I'm really looking forward to when the polls close in wisconsin in about one minute..........

lw

[Stonehenge]

cenacle, I agree with you on most of that except for the aid to africa part. Charity begins at home. The demos definitely need to reestablish trust to show they aren't just another flavor of republicans. We need to get rid of the superdelegate system and have direct selection of nominees as well as the presidency itself. The electoral college is an archaic relic of a bygone era. It was forged in the day that very few could read and they wanted educated people to make the decisions.

The check in the mail trick is just a ploy by the politicians to get some leverage and distract the public from what's going on. Don't think about Iraq, look at the nice check you're getting.

lw, good article about the rob job in NY. I posted about it in the other thread. Shrub would never have seen the inside of the white house had he not stolen it both times. The demos need to quit trying to do the same thing and try cleaning up their act. If they were to offer an actual choice to the people, they would be in power for years to come. It would make the repubs clean up their act too.

[Stonehenge]

cenacle, I heard that shrub had his head shrunk years ago.

As was predicted, Hill has stepped up the negativity and raised the volume and shrillness of the attacks in her quest for the nomination. There seems to be no depth she will not stoop to.

http://hillaryattacks.barackobama.com/

"I'm not interested in attacking my opponents, I'm interested in attacking the problems of America..."
Hillary Clinton, 11/10/07

Hillary Attacks

"'...well, now the fun part starts,' Mrs. Clinton said, punctuating the word 'fun.'"
Senator Clinton, telling reporters in Cedar Rapids about her plans to attack Democrats from now until the Iowa caucuses. [NYT, 12/2/07]
Clinton Renews Attacks
February 15, 2008

US News and World Report: "Hillary Clinton's strategists have come up with a new batch of attack strategies to use against Barack Obama in their battle for the Democratic presidential nomination. As reported earlier this week, Clinton plans to go negative to slow her rival's momentum, and now it's becoming clear how that will be done." [2/14/08]

AP: "Clinton Outlines Plan To Crack Down On Corporations; Attacks Obama." [2/15/08]

La Crosse Tribune: "Clinton Slams Obama For Not Agreeing To Debate In Wisconsin." [2/15/08]

New York Times: "Clinton And McCain Jab At Obama, Who Offers Details Of His Jobs Program" [2/14/08]

CNN: "Clinton Sharpens Attacks On Obama" [CNN, 2/14/08]

Concord Monitor: "Clinton Attack Still Riles Some" [2/4/08]

Guardian Unlimited: "Clinton Goes On Attack As Obama Closes Gap" [2/3/08]

New York Times: "Clinton's Campaign Sees Value In Keeping Former President In Attack Mode" [1/25/08]

[cenacle]

http://barackobamaisyournewbicycle.com/

click a few times...

That's it. I'm convinced!  :twisted:

[Stonehenge]

That broad has more lives than the monster in a low budget horror film. You know, the one that gets killed and they act like it's all over but it comes back to life. It gets killed a few more times and blown up but the pieces crawl back together and it keeps going. That's where Hill is right now, keeping on going. We thought she was blown up by Obama's 11 straight but she keeps on. I think I hear the fat lady starting to sing so we may see and end to this yet.

I hear that Billy is being prepped to take the blame if Hill loses. A number of articles that I think came from her camp are complaining about his tactics. She doesn't mind going negative but if she fails, it's Billy's fault.

Does anyone know if they still live together?

[cenacle]

The weird thing is how many arguments there are right now as to whether this is "good" for the Democrats right now or not. Some say it's a good thing, like every primary now has a say rather than it all having been long decided.

I tend to think the tenor of the Clinton/Obama clash is bad. Just this week, McCain got endorsed by some racist anti-Jew, anti-Catholoic preacher lunatic who likes to say New Orleans got hit by Katrina because of an "especially sexy" gay pride parade that was coming up. God's will. What the fuck...McCain got this endorsement and not a peep was spoken.

There is also the so-called "Clinton Test" being run on Obama to ready him for the Right-Wing Mainstream Media Attack Dogs Unleashed general election shitstorm to come. If he gets the nomination.

Then there is the call for an Obama-Clinton Unity ticket that many bring up and nobody believes will happen.

In short, I don't know and I don't think anyone else knows what is going to happen. There is even talk of re-running the Florida and Michigan primaries so they "count" this time.

And, Stoney, it's still EIGHT MONTHS til the damned election. That's 2/3 of a calendar year to endure this.

In truth, the only good bits of news I've heard lately are the telecom amnesty bill in the House dying again, and Canada deciding to no longer admit into court evidence obtained by means of torture. Gotta hang on to good news where it comes...

[Stonehenge]

Interestingly enough, I'm not the only one who sees Hill as a monster. She's the creature that ate the democratic party. BTW, Obama just won the Wyoming primary.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23519392/

Obama adviser resigns; called Clinton ‘monster’ Power told newspaper rival candidate stooping to low tactics

LONDON - A Barack Obama adviser resigned Friday after calling rival Hillary Rodham Clinton "a monster."

Samantha Power, an unpaid foreign policy adviser and Harvard professor, announced her resignation in a statement provided by the Obama campaign in which she expressed "deep regret."

[cenacle]

Obama just won the Mississippi primary. On to Pennsylvania in late April. I think the good news is that that status quo in DC and the mainstream corporate media hasn't been able to derail him like they did Howard Dean in 2004. Obama is just too smart, too organized, and has built a grass roots movement that is not going to be cowed or fooled into submission.

Go watch this on YouTube if you haven't seen it already:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY

YES, WE CAN!  

[Stonehenge]

I see Hill just said she would end signing statements, close Guantanamo, stop torture, stop unauthorised surveillence and end the expansion of executive power. She would promise a BJ to every voter if it would get her in but I welcome this very much. It brings these things into the spotlight. Now, Obama is going to have to answer if he will do those things also. Those things if brought about would tend to stop the expansion of the police state we are finding ourselves in.

At this point, I'm glad the biatch hasn't dropped out and is still beating the old dead horse. Some good may come of it.