Anti semitism in the psychedelic world

[judih]

It's not easy walking the transition line.
It's all illusion / The illusion is compelling

There's much i want to accomplish
does it matter what i do, or is it enough that i do whatever i do with a full heart and loving intentions?

Is it ego that keeps me going?
or non-ego?

Does it matter?
ah, dilemnas.

Happily, life.

May our lives grow in mutual understanding. Our self-peace reaches out to our mate's peace and then family and then societal.

it begins with me, and if i'm lucky those around me help me attain a more balanced route.

dendro, you are inspiring.
hope the son who's able to break with the cult-thought does so with a firm resolution.

Isn't that what we, as parents, hope for? strength to stand up and go against the machine.

Feed em ginseng when they're young and lots of love.

Make em listen to music, preferably jazz.

And let em find out about the world without the advertising world implanting views.

racism is just one more form of propaganda, fed through an IV tube, and removable if noticed.

[dendro]

judih says:

"It's not easy walking the transition line.
It's all illusion / The illusion is compelling"

It's compelling, but I take comfort in the fact that attachment is voluntary.

"does it matter what i do, or is it enough that i do whatever i do with a full heart and loving intentions?"

IMO, it is enough. Bhakti is necessary in any case, and a complete path in itself.

"Is it ego that keeps me going?
or non-ego?"

Doesn't matter, no, but I think it is non-ego that keeps all going.

"May our lives grow in mutual understanding. Our self-peace reaches out to our mate's peace and then family and then societal.

it begins with me, and if i'm lucky those around me help me attain a more balanced route."

good insight here, thanks...

"hope the son who's able to break with the cult-thought does so with a firm resolution."

Ya we've had some fun exploring things together-logical fallacies, history of scripture and world religions, qualities of cults, earth sciences and evolution, political science and history, propaganda, etc. I'm proud of him, at just 14 he is a very loving and gentle soul, but he wants to find his own truth, which I applaud. It won't be easy for him, as he loves his family, his Ma, and brothers and sisters very much, and they will try to entice him back into the cult. I have made an effort to stay here mostly for his sake. If he had not come along at such a late stage of the marriage, I would have been gone long ago. If and when I leave, he will have to have a steady resolve to resist the cult pressures.

At this stage, his prime interest is "world of warcraft" heh...

[spark]

Semite
This anti-Semitism nonsense
Anti-Semite? Moi?
TWISTED DEFINITIONS OF “ANTI-SEMITISM”
You Might Be An Anti-Semite If...
WRH and Anti-Semitism
The Israel lobby debate
The History of Zionism & Judaism
WHY IS WORLD JEWRY OPPOSED TO THE ZIONIST STATE
In Their Own Words



Ignore the Thought Police.
Read the evidence. Judge for yourself.

[JRL]

Spark this thread is not about the "global jewish orginization", zionism, Israel, or even the jewish religon. I thought that was fairly clear.

It's about ethnicity and hatred.

[spark]

Spark this thread is not about the "global jewish orginization", zionism, Israel, or even the jewish religon. I thought that was fairly clear.

It's about ethnicity and hatred.

no, it's about "anti-semitism".. and the root cause of most of today's anti-semitism is zionism...

[laughingwillow]

The root cause of most discrimination is stupidity, or more kindly, ignorance.

lw

[JRL]

I disagree,Spark. Anti semitism goes way deeper than zionism. And anger at zionism is arguable, but hatred and ignorance is not.

But let me reitirate: I do not consider myself a zionist, though I have a stake in Israel, seeing my family resides there. Neither do I consider myself a practitioner of the jewish religon. But I will identify myself as a jew till my dying breath.

Spark, I would look at your statement again. Does it mean all jews should be hated because of Zionists?? That is definitly a way it can be interpered.

Anti semitism existed long before there were the issues we are dealing with today.

[pkeffect]

After traveling a lot of the world and being around the net for so long, I will have to agree with LW.

Most all of this is caused by ignorance and stupidity. Religion, politics and racism kill more relationships and start more wars that kill more people than I tend to want to think about.


-pkeffect

[cenacle]

man, any time any 'ism or 'ist comes up, I get jumpy. Isms and Ists imply that human beings are distinct from one another on some definable level. So you have your zionists, your white supremicists, your feminists, etc. etc. Some open preach hatred of a defined "other"--such as those who hate blacks, or those who hate Asians, Africans, latinos, Islamicists, Christianists, etc. Others preach for their own "kind"'s superiority, such as Hitler's Aryan super-race. We're better than them, we're better than all, kill them, kill them all.

Any of this ever contribute to make the world a better place for all? How did lynching blacks in the American South improve life for others there? Didn't, there, or anywhere else. The genocide in Darfur, the horrors in Iraq, is anyone getting happy putting a bullet in the head of another, taking his land, raping his women, selling his children, annihilating his language and his history?

What does it add up to? Poor is poor, hungry is hungry, in any language, under any skin color, no matter the god prayed to for help. A crying child, an old person in dying lonely despair, a sick woman without medicine. No year, no land need be named. Pain is pain, cruelty is cruelty. Hope is hope. All the rationalizing BULLSHIT mouths or raised fists put forward can't deny or disprove any of this.

[judih]

divisiveness will be our downfall. Can't see the real if we're busy with bruised ego and personal vengeance.

The best revenge is to live. The best comeback is to live fully.

and it's hard to get mad at ignorance. (i mean it's easy, but it's not going to get me anywhere).

The best peacemaker is education and understanding. If an adult is soured and closed-minded - let's hope that the next generation can be made to talk to neighbours, share daily life, see that our similarities far outweigh our differences. Let the next generation see some examples of people doing that very thing. Let's be the future. Enough with the blinders, already.

Didn't Martin Luther King teach us anything?
We're all the same and we're all in this together.

[spark]

I disagree,Spark. Anti semitism goes way deeper than zionism.
yeah, but in this present time, who knows more about anti-semitism than the zionists do?

And anger at zionism is arguable, but hatred and ignorance is not.
well, if zionism isn't hateful and ignorant, then i don't know what is...

But let me reitirate: I do not consider myself a zionist, though I have a stake in Israel, seeing my family resides there. Neither do I consider myself a practitioner of the jewish religon. But I will identify myself as a jew till my dying breath.
how does that work? i mean, hasn't anybody ever told you that jews aren't a race?
:oops:

"jews are not a race"

Spark, I would look at your statement again. Does it mean all jews should be hated because of Zionists?? That is definitly a way it can be interpered.
NO.. if you looked through all of the links, you would have read that a jew and a zionist are two very different things...

Anti semitism existed long before there were the issues we are dealing with today.
so did zionism. but yes, anti-semitism (as well as racism in general)  has been with us for an extremely long time..as long as we've had history in fact!

[laughingwillow]

I can understand being disgusted with the isreali gubmit's policies, but the blanket claim of a "zionistic" plot to control the world is just as ignert as the isreali gubmit screaming "anti-semetism" every time someone tries to hold their bad actions up to the light for scrutiny, imo.

lw

[JRL]

This is becoming tiresome. Thank you Spark, for illustrating my whole point in starting this thread.

My friend, I am a jew. Take one look at my curley hair, big nose, ect.
A race, I don't know, An ethnicity? Most definitly. My cultural background? Absolutely. There are many jews that are not religous nor zionist, believe it or not, even in Israel.

I am also an American, does that make me responsible for the actions of the current regime?

I have a young friend that was being harrased everyday at high school by a jew hater, so finally he snapped and cracked the dudes head open with his skateboard. He knew he was wrong, but a man can take only so much.

You don't have to preach to me about the evils of Zionism, I have been to Israel and seen the oppression of the Palestinians. The whole thing is really tough for me, not a day goes by that I don't worry about my children and grandchild over there. Or think about the bombing narrowly averted n the grocery store my daughter shops in everyday.

[laughingwillow]

I believe there is only one race of humans with many ethnic variations that developed in part due to the relative isolation our ancestors experienced up until just recently.

Taking anonymous pot shots at individuals on the net due to ethnicity or the actions of others of the same ethnicity is immature and cowardly, imo.

lw

[Stonehenge]

I can understand being disgusted with the isreali gubmit's policies, but the blanket claim of a "zionistic" plot to control the world is just as ignert as the isreali gubmit screaming "anti-semetism" every time someone tries to hold their bad actions up to the light for scrutiny, imo.

lw

I think the problem we have is separating Israel and it's policies from judaism itself. I disagree with many things the country of Israel has done and is doing but I have nothing against jews or their religion any more than I have anything against islam or any other group or religion.

How do we separate Israel from Judaism? Are they one and the same or are they different? I think they are different but I may be wrong.