The messenger versus the message

[laughingwillow]

Sorry about the post editing.

Thanks for taking this conversation to this point.

lw

[laughingwillow]

Btw, the glass is half-full......

lw

[Satori]

Btw, the glass is half-full......

lw

I agree!

[Veracohr]

Sorry folks, I've been really busy and haven't been back to check this topic. I just started school on top of a full time job.

There were some good replies there in the first page. Come on guys, go easy.

Certainly there's always a segment of psychedelic users who are only interested in a good time, but I think that even among those who see psychedelics as useful tools, there's still a tendency to focus on the substances over the results. I think people see the potential of psychedelics, as it was stated, but expect the potential to realize itself. It's like someone who sees cars driving by for the first time, and they say to themselves, "Wow, I could really get places fast in one of those things." So they hop in a car and wait for the car to take them away, not thinking about the fact that the car requires some user input. The potential is recognized but not used.

3: Potentials of psychedelics:
I might have a few disagree with me, but so be it. I do not think that psychedelics have any more potentials than anything else to start the awakening process in people. I do not think that because, I do see psychedelics as a tool. A paint brush never makes an artist, only the individual makes itself an artist, by years and years of hard work and practice. A paint brush can help make a finer line, but if you don’t know how to hold a paintbrush to begin with, you’re still going to draw a crappy line.

True, fuzz, true. But the potential I think psychedelics have over other things is in their strangeness, their action of significant deviation from your normal, everyday life. I think that that deviation from normal thought and experience, that foray into a state where the unintuitive and unreasonable become normal provides a new thought template for the construction of ideas. Ways of thinking, initial thoughts that maybe never would have come to light in an ordinary state of consciousness, because they're too different.

[fuzz]

very cool Vera:) good luck with new job and school.
what are you studying?

i really enjoy your car metaphore, it works very well for me.

and yes, i totally agree, that one of the potentials of psychedelics is to open the mind to new ways of seing things.
the quote you use from me was just saying that i see psychedelics as a tool, and i used the image of the paint brush.
but this doesnt mean that i dont see psycedelics as being a way to see life from new angles, as you mention.

that was a cool topic. keep them coming in your spare time:)

[Veracohr]

very cool Vera:) good luck with new job and school.
what are you studying?

Electronic engineering.