Draft Al Gore for 2008 Petition

[cenacle]

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/algo ... onsign.htm

My note to him:

Dear Mr. Gore, If you run, we will come out in the millions to assure that this time you are not illegally impeded from taking the office should you be rightfully elected. Thank you for your work in all things, no matter what you decide.

[nearly 800 names!]

[lollipop guild]

LOL Gore in 2008?

Al couldn't even win his home state the last time around. (Tennessee) And that's all he would have had to done to make the election fraud in florida a moot point, if I remember correctly.

Al had his chance in 2004 and piddled it down his well-creased trouser leg, ioo.

guild rep #'s .33 and 1/3

[Stonehenge]

Who else can the demos run? Not that I trust the democrats, they are as crooked as the rest. What we really need is a third party to get in and break the hold of the present 2 party system. But, it would be better to have a demo than an R.

The fact that Gore lost his own state does not change the fact that the repubs stole the election. And not just in florida either. Ever heard of Diebold and the crooked voting machines?

[cenacle]

approaching 1000 signatures!! :twisted:  :twisted:

[lollipop guild]

Yeah, I heard of Diebold and the possibility of fraud. Matter of fact, that alone is about enough to make me stop voting. (And I've voted in every election since 1980.)

The dems and repubs are two sides of the same coin, imo.

Gore had little fire in 2004. His past campaign was a middle-of-the-road joke, imo. Al missed the gold ring the first time around. Hell, he didn't even make a grab, imo. (I'm not convinced he lost by fraud, either.)

Reminds me of the conspiracy floating around concerning the "missle" that slammed into the pentigon. It took video proof to convince some that the doomed passengers on that flight were riding in a plane and not on a missle.

Go Al? hahaha!

guild rep #8

[cenacle]

Al Gore didnt run in 2004, he ran in 2000. Its been well-documented by a phalanx of newspapers that had the votes in Florida been fully re-counted, Gore would have been awarded Florida, and thus the election. The support for him running again is widespread and growing. His ideas on the environment, on domestic policy and foreign policy are intelligent and bear the mark of a thoughtful man with a vast grasp of geopolitics. He was an effective US Senator for many years and he was vice-president for 8 years during a time of growth and prosperity domestically and relative peace abroad.

Whether or not he runs, there is a severe need for a president who understands the perils of environmental destruction, and appreciates the role of the US as a single player on the world stage, not the king of the world.

I personally hope we get someone as good as Al Gore for president. We have had the worst, seen how bad it can be. People need hope again.

1400 signatures on the petition! :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

[cenacle]

just two days later and this petition is up to 2380 signatures...really amazing how big it's getting!

[cenacle]

the petition is up to 4,195 signatures...i keep checking, it's good to see that my ideas jive with so many others'...there has to be a way out of this war-raging, bloodoil mess the world has been dragged into...every act of resistance counts! read the petition and think about signing it! :twisted:

[subversal]

http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2301/Some_In ... ut_Al_Gore

But, for Vidal, the act that most proves Gore’s contempt for representative politics was his total acquiescence in the face of the contested 2000 presidential election result in Florida. The image of Gore presiding over the certification of Bush’s victory was a moving, if tragic, scene in Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11. There he stood, banging his gavel as each successive member of the Congressional Black Caucus rose to challenge the assignment of Florida’s 25 electoral votes to Bush. “There was a hell of a lot of people ready to march,” Vidal says defiantly. But Al Gore wasn’t one of them.

[Cassie]

I was hoping for Hilary.
 :shock:

[cenacle]

that scene in Moore's movie made me cry, and I cursed the situation as much as anyone, but I do not believe that Gore is that man anymore, I believe he knows he made a mistake. I believe the years since that moment have matured him in ways nobody would know but himself, save perhaps his wife and closest friends. See "An Inconvenient Truth," and see his reply to Moore. I'd like to see the two of them sit down and hash things out.

As for Hillary Clinton, she is a novice politician who has done nothing toward stopping Bush's warmongering lunacy. She is liked much by some and hated by others. I don't think she'd stand a chance in uniting the country. Even the Democratic Party is polarized about her. I think Gore is one of the most intelligent and qualified men to lead, and I hope he chooses to run. The world would be lucky, and maybe this nightmare would begin to end.

If not him, we need someone of that caliber. It's time for mentally impaired puppets to cease being installed by dark overlord corporate demons.

[lollipop guild]

I believe he knows he made a mistake. I believe the years since that moment have matured him in ways nobody would know but himself, save perhaps his wife and closest friends..

So, are you Al's wife or just one of his closest friends?

Face it, Al failed in his presidential bid. That opportunity rarely comes around once, let alone twice. We needed him to stand up the first time and make some space between  him and Bush, but he never took the gloves off.

If not him, we need someone of that caliber. It's time for mentally impaired puppets to cease being installed by dark overlord corporate demons.

I've read your rants about Gore losing the last time due to voter fraud. However, thaty accusation has never been proved. But it's a fact that he lost his home state of Tennessee, and would have won the election by simply winning there.

Imo, its time for the mentally impared to give up on the notion that either party is working in the best interest of this country. The dems and repubs are two sides of the same coin. Corporate America donates lavishly to candidates from both sides of the isle. Al Gore is a Washington insider as proved by his past actions while vice president as well as in his bid to become president. Just why didn't he bring up the real issues facing this corrupt gubmint when he had the chance?

With any luck, Al will show more sense than those urging him to run in 2008.

ps: Fuck Hilary.

guild rep #8

[cenacle]

Voter fraud in Florida in 2000 has been substantiated by the Florida press who did the extensive research necessary and came to that conclusion. I've noted this before. Voter fraud in 2004 in Ohio has also been proven. It happened. There's no argument to be had when the facts stand as they do.

As for presidential bids, there is no limit on times that a person can run, and in fact it was Nixon who, after serving as Eisenhower's VP in the 50s, losing the presidency to JFK in 1960, ran in 1968 and finally won. It happens. Reagan ran more than once before 1980, when he finally got his party's nod and won. There's just no fast rule on it. Gore ran a lousy campaign, as did Kerry four years later, with no help from a malicious right-wing press, but I believe both men have grown and matured over the years. I'd consider supporting either if they ran in 2008 or beyond.

The Democrats have far many more roots in the lives of the disenfranchised, working class, minorities, women. They are the party that authored the New Deal and the Civil Rights Act, just to name two of their accomplishments. I am not registered with their party, and have no intrinisic party loyalty. I do know that a Democratic majority in Congress would start providing oversight on the war, and push for withdrawal. I do know that the Democrats are the best chance for universal healthcare happening, minimum wage being raised, stem cell research being federally funded, student aid being increased, social programs being created or restored. There are individuals in the Democratic Party that make me sympathetic to their fortunes.

As for Hillary Clinton, I would not support her for president but that is because I think she is too much a novice to politics. Perhaps she'll grow in time.

[lollipop guild]

Voter fraud in Florida in 2000 has been substantiated by the Florida press who did the extensive research necessary and came to that conclusion. I've noted this before. Voter fraud in 2004 in Ohio has also been proven. It happened. There's no argument to be had when the facts stand as they do.

That is nothing but sour grapes, imo. Besides, if those accusations are true, its just more ammo for the candidate willing to stand up before the next election and tell it like it is/was.

Gore ran a lousy campaign, as did Kerry four years later, with no help from a malicious right-wing press, but I believe both men have grown and matured over the years. I'd consider supporting either if they ran in 2008 or beyond.

So you think they learned something, eh? Unfortunately, the traits that are needed to make a good president can't be learned, imo. Neither Gore nor Kerry showed any signs of fire in their bellies, nor an ability to communicate/connect with the people. Milquetoast comes to mind. And tha's not what this country needs right now.

On top of that, they sold out, imo, appearing to care more about not scaring away votes than they did about speaking the truth of the current political situation in this country, imo.

Maybe your expectations are just lower than mine. Or maybe you just don't see the illusion of our current two party system. But the real answers will not to be found from within, imo.

guild rep #8

[lollipop guild]

cenacle: One question: If voter fraud has cost the dems the last two elections and there is verifyable proof, why aren't the prospective dem candidates not bringing these facts to light to expose the guilty parties?  

Wouldn't that be the most logical/effective response by the dems? Because if true, (and exposed to the public) releasing those facts should alter the current political landscape dramatically and in the favor of the offended party.

The republican's underhanded habit of bringing up relative non-issues during election years, such as gay marraige and illegal immigration and getting those issues on the ballot in key states has really made the difference in mobilizing the swing votes, imo.

guild chairman