Shady vendors and Salvia movies

[Jupe]

This place is great.....such livelie  intellcectks.....oops

[Vertigo6911]

you guys prolly think salvia IS a party drug dont you?
you guys agree with these vendors that amanita is something that should be given away for free??!!!!!!!!!!
with no warning whatsoever??

DO U ACTUALY THINK IT IS EXCUSABLE TO SELL DATURA AND BELLADONNA WITHOUT MENTIONING THEY ARE DEADLY??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

are you realy so stupid as not to realise what this trend could do to the
whole damn community?

its bad enuff to see that u dont give a damn about irresponsible vendors
potentialy getting people killed, but dammit this is not about salvia, if they manage to outlaw this one plant based on the chemicals inside it will open the doors legaly to do the same with everything else!

honestly, you are the most selfish people ive ever seen in my life!

[JRL]

dude, do some reading here. You got us twisted. Better yet, go away.

[Vertigo6911]

no i think i understasnd you pricks just fine.
you'd rather sit here feeling good about yourself by insulting me
then actualy spend a second or 2 looking at the subject matter...

take a look at the god damn topic i linked and realise that im representing about 600 shroomerites here.

i know im not doing a good job, thats why im persistant.

im not leaving untill you idiots get over yourselves, get over me, and take notice of the situation.

i got something to say and i aint leaving untill im satisfied that you have herd it.

want me to leave? say something that indicates u understand what im trying to say. instead of useless pintless bitching about my conversational skills.
your acting like a bunch of god damn politicians in an election year!

[senorsalvia]

How're things Rife?  Yep, I have considered the local shoppe angle but Jeez, have you seen the mark-up those lil emporiums are laying on the peeps? :shock: ---  Example...  Last summer in a shoppe in Daytona Fl, I came across Sally being offered for $6 a gram for plain leaf and $19.95 per gram of 5X! !  I have always really dug the basic premise of the "home town headshoppe", but profiteering like that has me running for the net to score...........  BTW,  I acess my 'puters at the local library...  Gotta thank 'ole Bill Gates fer that :wink: ---------  sal

[Avery L. Breath]

Vertigo, you just took the wrong aproach man and you let it spiral out of controll.  You'd of probably won alot of people over to your side had you not gone all agro on folks and been ego-centric in your view.  I for one appriciate your anger, it's a beautiful thing if expressed properly........ you just failed to do that.

A suggestion.  Conversation is 90% listening.

[senorsalvia]

Sal passes olive branch to both Vertigo and bro Avery :wink:

[Vertigo6911]

dude look at what you are saying.

your affirming my point AND doing the same god damn thing.
thanx captain obvious for pointing out what a retarded 4yo can
figure out on his own.

but the problem is not with me.
the problem is with a mentality that has people judging the merit
of any situation by the way it is presented.

tony blair has you right where he wants you you stupid cunts!

and yeah yeah, fry me and bann me for wearing my hear on my sleeve u fucking HYPOCHRITS!

all of you are to chickenshit to say what u realy think and feel
and now i have to conform to your bullshit PC sugercoating
brainless consumer crap just to get any1 to listen.

they say americans are stupid, but by god you people are fucking dead inside!
the most apropriate name for you guys is sadly also the most insulting,
but you realy are acting like a bunch of lawyers!

im sorry dudes, but there is no hope for the UK.
you guys are totaly fucked in the head, and before u scream bloody flawar, i have proof: your still talking about me, when everything ive said has been about ignoring me and looking at the issue at hand.

those who agree that the issue is more important then i am,  join the 1000+ people (and counting) who care about the issue t this topic: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showfla ... n/0/page/0 at the www.shroomery.org forums.
the rest of you we can do without.

[Avery L. Breath]

Ohhh look, somebody needs a hug.  Vertigo, you crack me up.

[JRL]

dude we are all pretty much in agreement that selling 20x salvia as a party drug is a real bad idea.

The reason we are looking at you is cause you are so damn noisy.

[cenacle]

vertigo--

first off, i'm sorry things got so out of hand here...the people here are good folks who appreciate plants and freedom as much as you...second, i can see you are really really upset and maybe scared by what is happening with something you love a great deal...it sucks and it won't go away...the world used to be scary cuz of US/USSR nuclear war fears, but man, it's scarier now because of nutjobs in charge of making laws...how did that happen? when did laws become the enemy? i don't know...

in any event, there is not a person here who is *your* enemy...we're here because we treasure freedom, nature, and the ancient values current lunatics in charge of the kingdom want to crush...have always wanted to crush...

my advice, since you have definitely made your point here, is to turn your energies to other ways to help...don't let the emotions or fear paralyze your obvious desires to do something...breathe some fresh air, listen to some good music, eat something that makes you feel good, have a long long sleep, and get back to it...and stick around SPF sometimes for other discussions...i hope you do, and feel more part of things here as time goes on...

peace,
raymond

ps--i looked at your own site, nice job

[winder]

I cannot nor will not spend my time trying to chase down every fucked-up vendor there is.  It will be fruitless and accomplish nothing but frustration for me.

Perhaps there is a lesson here in that the links to vendors need to be carefully monitored, as we have discussed before and that links to information sites (not vendors and not just discussion sites) need to be included.

Any problem with having a sticky thread with a link to the appropriate Erowid Vaults within each forum - such as to the Cactus Vault within the Desert, the Salvia Vault with the Salvia Plane, etc?

[Hyper_Eye]

I use Salvia at my home on occassion. I don't use it as party drug or even go to parties for that matter. A few things...

1) We all understand what you are saying
2) You did not approach us or the vendor in a way that is going to get anything accomplished
3) Some people DO think of it as a party drug. And you know what? It can be. It isn't for me personally. That dosn't mean it isn't for other people. That is simple fact. Part of wanting the freedom to experiment in the ways you desire is to respect other people's right to use it in the way they want. You can't say that someone can't take some to a party and do what they want with it but you can use it. It just dosn't work that way. You are fighting a fruitless battle.

[RifeHeretic]

Yeah mate, not everything about Our Lady Salvia can be learned from the internet. Same with everything, for that matter. If you have a problem with this, merely go away, because right now you're more for amusement than anything else.

I see your point, and it's not bad. You jsut take things a bit too seriously and are way to closed minded.

Free yourself, mate,

Rife

[senorsalvia]

Well well, this has certainly turned into quite a thread eh?? :lol: ---  Vertigo man; notice how the people here are not saying they oppose your position???  Notice how you are given wide berth to define and put forth your opinions???   Methinks the real lesson here is that sometimes a heartfelt message can surely be muddled by the messenger... :wink:   Relax bro; the vast majority of the folks here will bend over backward to accomodate and be inclusive...  On the other hand; the vast majority of the folks here will circle the wagons and prepare for a battle when shown teeth that are bared for illogical reasons ------  Stick around man, you might just find a place worth enjoying....................   sal