86% of Americans favor decrim. Will Obama listen?

[Stonehenge]

JRL, I'm sorry to hear about your troubles. I merely asked you to clarify your position, in what way is that a "pissing contest"? You feel free to say people's points of view are not relevant or imply they have no right to their opinions when you don't agree with them. But if someone has a different point of view and questions you, you act like a big victim who is being picked on.

You said medical growers were "taking advantage" of the system and driving down prices. That sounded like criticism and I asked you how you meant it. You are free to say whatever you like, what does your personal life have to do with it? Want to hear about my problems? No, I didn't think so.

[JRL]

I would be more than willing to hear about your troubles, this place is a support group for many and I use it as such. I really would like to know more about you.

Well I thought the "taking advantage" post was fairly clear in stating my views. Like lw said, it's pretty obvious what side of this question I am on, and I was the one that told Teo I thought there should be no laws pertaining to substance use. If you need more to go on, let me know!

[Stonehenge]

OK, JRL, that's cool. I think we are on the same side. I think we both agree legalization is the way to go. I'm a little unsure about stuff like meth but if there were legal alternatives, I don't think people would mess with stuff like that so much. When they make everything illegal, people assume anything illegal is good. I can't see Obama changing much about that but I'd be happy to be shown wrong.

[dogbane26]

That is the problem stoney.   The young kids smoke weed and then they say that wasn't bad it wasn't like our government said about it so then next they try meth and say hey meth isnt bad either.    Meth is too much man made chemicals to be good for anything.  Id say cocaine is more natural even though it still isnt since the dose u use doesnt occur naturally.    I know its found in  coca plants but it doesnt occur in that amount even in the plant.   It is still more natural than that meth crap.     Same thing with Salvia divinorum.  In a way those extracts arn't helping to not become illegal.    

The Mazatecs never made 5x,10x, 20x extracts.  They chewed the leaves and didnt even smoke them.  Its like the incas didnt snort cocaine.  Govt doesnt care its bad either way to them.  Thats how they see it.    

Government says alcohol and cigs are ok.  Like it was ok when white man came here and stole the land from the indians and got them addicted to alcohol and that helped kill them off too.   Alcohol sounds great and all the other stuff we can just call drugs,  Of course alcohol isn't a drug!  

But govt also says peyote is bad.  Its not bad cause its a hallucinogen originally it was bad cause it was thought by the catholic church to be of the devil.   Religion is to blame for making alot of plants illegal.  

Peyote helps alcohol addiction.  Hallucinogens it seems arnt addictive and even lsd was thought at onetime to help alcoholism.   Iboga no wonder it works.

[DrYRHead]

The term Marijuana comes from Spanish for Mary Jane, of course. It was just a slang usage too.

[amrad]

Geez I hope not !!  In the province I'm from its the second biggest industry.  I am of course kidding, but governments know that the economical repercussions of legal pot would be huge.  In the town I live its the only industry other than tourism, and they sort of dove tale, pot tourism  The local businesses count on the outdoor harvest, new cars are bought, people go on holidays, and a lot of toys like allterrain vehicles are sold.  People here were crapping their pants when California held a vote on legalization.  It would just cost way to much to legalize.  Maybe if the economy gets real flush again governments might entertain the idea.  Or if the corporates think they can make money at it they may exert pressure on government for legalization and patenting of strains and names. A mixed blessing.  At least the way it is we dont have to deal with a pot Monsanto for seeds of known strains.

[dissident]

I for one have had it with the 'elitist' act LW.  You don't know any damn better than the rest of us, so kindly fuck off telling us how things should be.

[laughingwillow]

LOL Huh?

lw