How I do Salvia

[Hyakitaki]

I've heard a lot about spiritual use of salvia and how if you use salvia in a certain way you are to be frowned upon and so on and so forth.  I hear that it disgraces La Maria if you get extracts that are flavored or even get extracts at all.

   Well the way I use Salvia and the reasons I use it are as follows.  I buy only leaves (because they work best for me).  I grind the leaves through the bag that contains them by hand, until the leaves are basically a powder form.  I then pack a bowl full with up to 4 friends around and smoke it myself as fast and furious as I possibly can.  I do this not because I am in search of spiritual enlightenment but instead because I desire the effects.  The effects usually do end up teaching me something about myself, my ego and open mindedness.

   I try to get everyone I can to try Salvia because I beleive it's a great experiance that everyone needs.  I am absolutly agnostic so the thought of a greater power well doing it is always on the backburner or forgotten.  Does anyone consider me to be a bad person after reading what I have just typed because I know that a lot of people will jump on my case for basically just using it as a drug to be explored for it's inner teachings.

                  -Matt

[dergheist]

I am usually on the other side of the table on this one, but I can see your point and I think nothing less for you wanting to use her this way.  Perfectly fine in my opinion as long as it is done in a mature manner.

[Hyakitaki]

Salvia is the strongest most vivid and real thing i've ever done.  With that comes a built in degree of saftey by which I use it.  I've done quite a few drugs including acid, 2c-i, marijuana, dex (robotripping), shrooms, Morning glory seeds (NOTE: You might want to scrape the pesticides off of these I didn't know it was on there and the naseau was horrid), Gabapentin and of course alcohol (yes it is a drug hahahaa).  Still none of these hold a match to the intensity of Salvia.  With the intensity though comes great inner learning (for me at least).  

I like to measure my life on a timeline from when I was born to the point I am at now.  This timeline is scattered with memories and other things such as values.  I just want everyone to realize that salvia left a huge blast crater on my timeline.  It put me in a state I didn't know was ever possible, I will never ever forget my Salvia trips....just wanted to put how much I respect this drug into perspective.

-Matt

[Jupe]

didn't know was ever possible, I will never ever forget my Salvia trips....just wanted to put how much I respect this drug into perspective.

-Matt

Welcome to SPF.....Psychedelic Plants and chemicals tend to mimic or induce the state of grace that many of the worlds great religions...atheists and agnostics included....all experience.  Thats why people are attracted to them....our modern culture tends to denigrate those experiences....

.Salvias lessons are a bit more difficult to understand, so take it slow......also type a bit slower Please?  As you post is kinda hard to understand.....but I wouldn't much worry about being considered a bad person...especially here...As long as you don't insult anyone elses opinion, they will let you have yours.........

but watch out...there are some really smart folks here!!! Don't say anything ....too......goofy!!          

[shaminatrix]

Ego meltdown is a difficult thing to manage for some. Personally, without the spirit I don't feel too safe there but then again I am a creature of my history. As a Native American we're pretty traditional in this respect. We don't have many agnostics among us....

Ever do Salvia in a group? I have...of 8 people. No two people had the same experience.

2 laughed hyterically for about 15 min (during and after affect)
1 went to a very scary existential place (he's a psychologist BTW so no wonder there!)
1 went to a dimension where everyone was a cartoon character
1 went to a strange place where everything was "neon-geometry"
I saw daylight in a completely dark room (the light was so bright I really couldn't see) and heard voices telling me things. I was floating on the ceiling (acoustic ceiling is really wierd!) at the time.
1 felt very little and decided to give up. Pass the bong.
1 kept saying over and over "I see it....yes, I see it" and couldn't describe where he went

Several of these people are spiritual. A few aren't.None are "religious." No matter. That time it was like a funhouse experience. I prefer to fly solo. It's too easy to get sucked into other people's "stuff".

To be Agnostic is to say "it hasn't been proven to me yet." Very different from the Atheist "there is no proof, period". I think alot of religious people have agnostic feelings but don't admit it, or are ashamed. I don't believe you can ever get into trouble respecting Nature and her gifts...maybe focus there? Intent is everything...

Bad person? We all have doubt sometimes. No crime there.

[Hyakitaki]

Hey Jupe, No man I learn quickly with punishment involved.

Anyways I had an extremely difficult salvia experiance my 7th or 8th time trying it.  The intensity of the trip scarred me from trying it again.

The Trip consisted of me quickly smoking salvia leaf from my water bong, and then completely forgeting who I was and what everything around me was including a few friends that were sitting on a couch not far from my position.  The emotion that I felt was intense fear beyond anything i've ever felt, but not to the point of me soiling myself hahahaha.  I had actually forgotten that I had smoked Salvia at all which made it even more terrifying.  I eventually came down watching an episode of Family Guy that was on the TV.  Another thing worth noting from this trip was that I thought that the characters from Family Guy were actually in the room with me, I guess I didn't understand the magic of the cathode ray tube at the time.

Well it took me a bit but just last night (1/5/06 6:30pm) I tried Salvia once more.  I really did it because all my friends were getting good mild experiances, and with time comes the apathy of my other experiance.  So I decided to take one huge hit out of my water bong and hold it for partial effects.

I call myself "THE KING OF HITS" because I beleive that I take bigger hits than any of my friends do.  Of course all my friends deny it so I always try to take huge hits beyond beleif to prove it to them. This hit was no exception, even with a horrible experiance still in mind slightly.  The effects hit me, and I was blasted out of my reality into a completely different one.  I proceded to walk around in my bathrobe waving my arms like a showgirl (something I would never do normally).  I felt like I was a character on Mr. Roger's neighborhood.  The small distance I was walking also seemed like I was traveling blocks at least.  I got incredibly sweaty, and as for what I was saying I can only remember saying I was incredibly messed up a bunch of times and then laughing and answering basic questions that my friends asked (example "what's my name").  This trip was fun, but didn't really teach me anything.

Later the same night after overcomming my fears it was easy for me to accept another try (9:15pm).  I stated that I was only going to do one huge hit again and followed through once more with a hit so big that it's barely possible to comprehend.  This time it hit me harder for some reason and I forgot that I existed.  I was just watching my friends talk not really understanding what they were saying, but I was entranced at just them speaking.  I sat there, and then was hit by a feeling that I should say something.  I spoke and was surprised to hear myself, as if I didn't understand where the words were comming from.  My mind raced and tried to figure out what was happening at this exact moment.  I used all my willpower and intelligence to try and figure it out.  First I figured out that I had mass (which I had forgotten).  Then I figured out that I was a human again like the rest of the people in the room.  It took me the longest to figure out who I was and link together my values and past again.  Eventually I got it though and realized everything.  I was speaking my thoughts aloud this whole time to my friends, saying such things as "I HAVE MASS!!" and "My name is Matt!".  Once I had figured out who and what I was again the trip ended quickly.  This Salvia trip though was much much much more meaningfull and left me feeling acomplished and happy.

Now for my main question:  All my friends beleive that I just go crazy when I smoke Salvia because their trips are no where near as intense as the ones that I got from just one hit.  This is frustrating to me because I would really like to relate my trips to theirs and have them come to the same epiphianys as I do.  They tell me their trips never mess with their reality, but instead just give them a strange buzz while retaining mental clarity.  They smoke entire bowls at a time also....anyone have any reasoning for this?

[Jupe]

most problems are caused by poor smoking technique...or poor salvia.....there is a threshold that needs to be crossed...x amount in y amount of minutes..preferably  a large amount in a short amount of time.....Part of the key to using salvia for many people, is to remove as many DISTRACTIONS....like people, lights, sound, tvs, radios....etc as possible...this lets the plant do its work a little better.....Its a bit of a harder path, as the DISTRACTIONS often give you something to hang onto, something to fight for and wtih or get confused by...whats going on? etc...your reality that is...trying to talk, trying to think..trying to not lose yourself....Remove all the DISTRACTIONS  and you can go further with much less....Jupe

[Hyakitaki]

Thanks a ton Jupe i'm going to give my friends some of my Salvia to try on their own time.  Hopefully then after a little practice of their own with minimal distractions they will be able to do it with me and a few others in a group.
 Thanks again!

P.S.  I think the Salvia I use is good.  I obtained it off IAMSHAMAN and it's the "Sierra Mazateca Premium Salvia Foliage".  It works great for me at least, so i'm keeping my fingers crossed.

-Matt

[Jupe]

IAShaman has good stuff....you might try making some 5x or 7x....get a couple of ounces and some Isopropanol alcohol......its easy...tons of info out there how to do it.  Sometimes its hard to smoke enough leaf in a short period...and it tends to burn hot.....extracts burn cooler (IMO) and you  only have to smoke one or two hits. :shock:

[Chris W]

I always buy a pound at a time and make my own extracts.  I usually just make a non standardized 10x iso extract.  When it is still a tiny bit wet from the water in the iso  and it no longer smells of alcohol, I find it is the most potent and tasty. It smells like a pipe tobacco kinda.  I can do maybe 2 hits and hit a level 5 with it. I know you can make the stanardized extracts and much more potent but I dont find it as tasty.