Shamans Golden Strain:?

[space]

Yup, looks bad.  

BTW, does anyone know if these are the same folks as the shamanspalace.com website?  I've been left with a (thankfully small and  plastic) order unfilled.  Website down, e-mails bounced back...

[Finbar]

Izn't this tha guyz that brought us "lemmnoii" and "chicken diaperz"?

Soundz like two birdz onna wire - chirp, chirp, chirpin'...and not sayin' a damn thing.

Iffin' they had that many seedz, they would not need a hybrid. They could sell tha seedz fertile seedz fora small fortune.

Ebay? Shammanz hate that shit. LMAO!

Fin

[laughingwillow]

Hey, fin. Good to see you around.

Anyone seen bongo lately? It seems to be taking him an inordinant amount of time to come around with a story of how the community caused the ebay deal to go bad.

I think the community owes a big ups to tstt for putting the brakes on the shill and the sham-man when he did.

lw

[laughingwillow]

Btw, fin, I'm guessing any seeds they have produced ARE hybridized.

lw

[senorsalvia]

Yo Fin, you ole reprobate :lol:    Good seeing 'ya 'round these parts...             sal

[Finbar]

LW: Btw, fin, I'm guessing any seeds they have produced ARE hybridized.

Yeah, the whole genus iz a hybrid. I reckon I shoulda said, 'they would not have needed to create another new hybrid.

The article mentionz that the problem iz with the pollen, so takin' the pollen from SD to another salvia will not work. Or, at least not work any better than it doez with selfin' SD.

One needz to take the pollen from a different salvia and crossin' that with SD.

There iz a reported 3% seed viability in cultivation. So, there iz some viability, but it iz very low.


Inbreedin' depression. Sorta like tha shit in "Deliverance".

Maybe the two original parent plantz iz extinct now.

So, SD iz 2N and N=11.

These are the N=11 Salvias:
S. coccinea
S. castanea
S. canariensis
S. tilifolia
S. sahandica
S. pseudococinea
S. lanata
S. leucantha
S. moorcroftiana
S. hypoleuca
S. gilliesii
S. grahamii

Cross tha pollen from these with SD and hope for a blue ribbon pig at tha state fair. Any plantz from seedz would need to be back-crossed with tha momma to get more desired rocket-fuel traitz.

Or, attempt to increase tha ploidy of SD by colchicine. This may allow or increase SD fertility. May not, me little HST-ites.

Or, induce radiation to form a mutant strain(*not inna microwave-o).

Tha article mentionz short day flowerz. Also, 3m plantz before fruitin'. Maybe they flower at smaller sizez, but do not fruit unless taller.

Hold a friggin' gun ta their nutletz.

Force 'em ta have plant sex.

Ya'll are a buncha plant pervz.

Shamanz hate that shit!

Make shure ya got plenty-o-filmz.

$19.99 plus $14.95 fer shippin' ana handlin'
(*allow 6 ta ate weekz fer delivuree)
(**offer void in tha pellikan state)

Finny Salvia Seed

[Green2Herman]

You would need a threaking lot of seeds to use colchicine considereing that only 2 - 4% av viable to start with. A couple of 1000.

[laughingwillow]

Thanks for the info, fin.

There was also a description of the plant included earlier in the thread that sited the reproductive problem of sally to be other than pollen related. It mentioned something about the physical reproductivew system of the plant receiving the pollen.

I was guessing that the pollen from sally was viable, but reproduction was limited due to a system deformity or disease.

Thanks for adding a little science to me speculation, brawh.

lw

[winder]

If salvia divinorum reproduction is limited by the plant's own organs being faulty, then would a reasonable approach to hybridization be to take the salvia divinorum's pollen to a flower-to-seed viable salvia of another species?

Splendens and officinalis species are grown from seed rather easily.

[laughingwillow]

Hey, windey...

That's what I've been wondering. However, I have little working knowledge of Its relatives. My guess would be crossing sally first with a another plant to  repair the sex organs and then breeding back for sal-a content once that's been achieved.

lw

[winder]

It would seem that to do as you suggest LW would be to continue using SD pollen on the new generations raised from seeds of the cross.

So first generation plant is 1/2 SD, the next is 3/4 SD, and so on.

There is probably an optimal number of generations to go through to maintain some SD content but not end up with a seed deficient cross.


As to what species to cross with, I haven't a clue.
As for carrying such out, I haven't the patience.

[laughingwillow]

I'm thinking one would breed specifically for viable seed production as well as potency. But I'm guessing the number of generations wouldn't matter as long as the offspring produce viable seed. Potency would seem to be less of an issue as time elapsed and viable reproductive organs prolly more so, eh?

lw

[laughingwillow]

I'm really just trying to figure out what the shaman may have been doing these last six years.

lw.

[Finbar]

Shamanz don't like being questioned...they hate that shit!

Interestin' find:


"Tha secret ta gettin' this one ta bloom is ta avoid light on tha plant afta dark. Tha right amount of heat & nutrientz(moderate in both casez) also affectz tha bloom."

There iz also a mention about at which stage tha cuttin's are taken. Cuttin'z should only be taken from mature plantz. Immature cuttin'z can lead to a different lookin' plant with different characteristicz.

I highly suggest lettin' tha platnz grow to maturity. Maybe never take a cuttin' from it. Cuttin'z may affect the bloomz. Have some plantz that cuttin'z are taken from it only.

Yeah LW, the pollen iz only semi-sterile. Somethin' happenz after fertilization. If it were sterile - no plantz would set seed. But, there iz still somethin' wrong with tha fertilization process.

The list above iz not to be considered complete. I would also suggest usin' another N=11 plant to cross. The plantz may set seed like crazee, but have tha wrong geneticz. It needz to be a n=11 plant.

Fin

[TooStonedToType]

Yea, the plant doesn't like light at night.  She told me once to turn off the night light that was shinning on her, but then again I might have just been trippin.

I have some pollen...I figure it should last a few years?