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[Senorsalvia]

Senorsalvia:
That would've been cool to use my normal medicine stuff, as I figured having it go up the nose'd be the same as inhaling the smoked DMT...

How dangerous/risky would Caapi vine be to import?  From that whole "Joe Shoemaker" Thing.. was it just because he imported a huge amount of materials?  Hm..

So let's say this:
Though it has Gramine and chlorophyll in it, if I took the caapi vine and then drank "The teaspoon" I juiced from the Phalaris, it should be enough? Hm.  I might still worry about the gramine, but as someone suggested, Gramine isn't listed as being poisonous to humans on Wikipedia: does that mean it is/isn't? Hm.


Amomynous:

I know Gramine isn't desirable, though aside from a very blocky Lab, I'm not sure how I could omit it from whatever I'd produce with my phalaris.  .. Anyways, a quick look at 5-HT2A on Wikipedia'd imply that the harmaline'd get to the serotonin receptors first, 'clog them up' and the DMT wouldn't work.. (or vice versa)


In any case, I think I might try out Ayahuasca, based on what you've described..   I guess maybe I'm either: easily convinced, or hopefully interested in the effects of ayahuasca anyways.

In any case, wouldn't making ayahuasca work 'as intended by shamans' if I get the right plants, too?

Maybe I would read up on it (at www.ayahuasca.com right?)

Anyways, I hope that I wouldn't hear it's an expensive venture, but then again...



In summary:
1. Ayahuasca still have good/healing/DMT-more effects even without the supplements most shamans provide?
2. Is Caapi vine difficult or risky to obtain?
3. I intended to grow my own mimosa.. but I don't know how to 'ethically harvest' it, and I guess on one hand, it would be difficult to grow a bush...   So would odering Mimosa root be easier (and how about safety?) than getting it myself?  Hm.
4. I'll reply after I get more info at www.ayahuasca.com or other sources.  (ALA the National Geographic article: I better get a snake-proof bucket? ;P )

Hmmm...
Some nice info here, SSalvia.  Thanks for the help so far. :3

I'm not sure if I mentioned it before, but my first idea of extracting DMT from  a plant via a wheatgrass juicer woudl have me put the resultant 'juice' into a nasal inhaler and taking it that way.. So Id on't need a MOAI, but supposedly how it'd get absorbed.
Haven't found out much saying if it'd work or not...

In any case,   Where would I get phosphoric acid?  (I like how in some "Tek"s they tell you what the product is 'also known as'.. Like how 'Naptha' would be "lighter fluid" X3)
And.. I'm not sure on this.. but would Phosacid be like.. non-polarizing/polarizing?  I'm asking 'cause I wouldn't be sure what base/solvent I should use without.. hm.. dissolving the DMT-salt-alkaloid? (If that's correct..)

I've only learned a bit about A/b things so far, but I'm good at following directions...!

So.. 1. What/where is Phosphoric acid? (Would the Teks you've referred me to tell me what it is?)
2. Any certain base I should use?  Would I even need one? :p
3. Would you guess if taking it nasally'd work?  (PS: Should I worry about any other PHalaris content if I use my phalaris 'juiced' ? :p)

Jus407: Thanks for your posts, though I checked Erowid a lot.  There was one page that showed how to extract DMT from a 'source',  , and I found it useful.  That was perhaps the only new thing I found there as I got my "Hey, let's use Phalaris!" idea from Erowid :p

Senorsalvia:
I read a lot about Mimosa, so I wasn't sure if I wanted to investigate how I'd start work on that... For example, it's the root.. That kinda kills most plants :p  Phalaris keeps restoring itself, so I'd like to find out about the mimosa Hostilis bark..  So wouldn't this mean I'd need to buy it off the internet?  Hm.  I also looked at teh Marsofold Tek, which seems to be pretty good.  

reading more on Mimosa Hostilis root, it seems to be orally active.  Does anybody know this for certain?  I'm not sure that it would be totally safe to chew and chew and chew this and then swallow it, but it looks like it'd be an easier method for getting DMT.

So..
Is Mimosa Hostilis orally active iwthout a MAOI for DMT?
What about its dosage?
I've read up on some "Alan Shoemaker" thing, and one website seems to ask its customers to be cautious, which is sad. (The judge says "Anything with DMT in it is actually illegal" and yet we have DMT in ourselves)   Because I read on that, would it be smarter to buy some seeds and raise up a plant myself, or would it be smarter to just buy the bark?

[Let me begin about my experience and motives:]

I know I'm asking a lot, so I want to thank you ahead of time for helping a complete n00b learn.




Let's begin with the preliminaries:
Since I'm a 'drug noob' and I .. want to know about this for educational purposes... .. I would like to know how, if I wanted to, I could go out and obtain DMT.. Not through purchasing it directly, but through extracting it from a plant.


Let me begin about my experience and motives:

* I have no drug experience. I've never smoked even a cigarette.  I didn't even know how 'smoking a bowl' worked until someone told me, and I've still never seen it nor a bong in action.
* I'm not interested in smoking DMT, and I think chewing Syrian Rue seeds for a MOAI is a little bit of a dangerous route for what I'm interested in learning about.
* Though the effects of ayahuasca interest me, I'm not totally interested in learning how to get vines or go to Brazil.
* I know DMT will make some people 'shit the bed' figuratively ;P (not death-wise, but just shock-wise!) and its purpoted spiritual value is why I'm interested.  Yes, I know that since I have NO drug experience, if I wanted to do it I should work my way up.  I don't want to hear that kind of advice, though :p
* Though I am a bit intimidated by smoking or such, I've briefly considered alternatives, such as emptying my nasal inhaler and putting whatever liquid I have that contains DMT into it, and taking dosages 'nasally' (and somewhat through my lungs).[/list]

About what I have learned about DMT:

* I first read that Phalaris grass was a great source, though after seeing some slightly-depressing notes about a low DMT content from Erowid, I figured that it wouldn't stop me.. Especially since there was no "Me-OH-DMT" (?) I'd have to worry about killing me.
* However, this was from erowid and other 'drug databases', not drug forums: from here, I read a few posts that basically said that Phalaris Arundecia has Gramine, and 5-Meo-DMT in it: one of which I'm a bit scared of, and the other I"m not sure I want (though I hvae read about it)
* I have also read that Phalaris Arundecia has such a low content of DMT that I would have to "Juice" wet plant matter or 'process' a pound of dry plant matter to get even one dosage.  This sounds a bit worrysome, but I guess I wouldn't mind being stubborn (I always have been!)
* I would want a strain with high alkaloid content, meaning that the leaves would have a bluish-green tint, versus a wheaty-green or tan color.  Since I already have a plant, I'm not sure if I'd use what I have, because if what I have sucks I dunno if I'd want to spend $30 to get a new one too :p
* That due to the gramine content, I would have to process my 'juiced plant' or my chopped dry plant matter..  Whereas before, I heard I would not have to worry and simply consume my 'liquid plant matter', now I may have to worry about things like 'naptha' or 'ether' or boiling it and waiting five days.  Perhaps this could have been reasonable for a clean experience, but I do not know how to do any of this. [/list]

About me, and what I have:

* I have a phalaris plant, but I'm not sure I'd ever use it for DMT.  It's got some 'more bluish-green than green' lines of color to its wheat-and-green colored leaves.  I heard that acacia is better, though I'd have to use the certain-kind-of-acacia's bark if i wanted, which would hurt a tree.
* Due to being called a "Noxious Weed" by my state's government, it is perhaps the only state that will stop the selling and importing of the Phalaris Arundecia. Bummer.
* For other plant-woes, I heard about "Desmanthus illinoensis", which supposedly has a lot of DMT in its roots... also known as the "Illinois Bundle Weed".
* I already own a Wheat-grass juicer, though I'm not sure I"d want to juice so many leaves.
* I have always been in fierce pursuit of spiritual goals, and though death can be a scary concept, I am interested in learning, and seeing if this path could be right for me.[/list]


In summation: I am a total n00b, but I am interested in learning methods and processes..   What I am looking from YOU is:

1. Tell me what you know about Gramine. What can it do?  If the worse it could do is give me a rash, I don't think I"d worry much about it, but if it could kill me, I would like to be warned.
2. Where should I go to learn more?  What forums would you recommend me visiting to talk to other groups of experienced users and extractors?
3. Yes, this is going to be weird.  If taking it nasally won't work, I may want to learn how to either have makeshift paraphenalia, or..  mm. :?
4. I've already read that not many people try to get their DMT from phalaris.  What is the best source?  What is the best source with only DMT and no 5-Meo?  What is the best source with only DMT and no other noxious poisons (Gramine)?
5. If I'm not mistaken, the way to extract DMT would be to:

A. 'lightly' boil the mixture in some acid (ph 4) solution covered, perhaps overnight, then when I'm done,
B. pour it into a container that I can shake with some ether/naptha (?), which will separate out the gooky stuff I don't want.  .. I'm not sure if that part will last days.  
C. Then, I gently pour the stuff that remained on the top of the 'mixture' out, to either sit in the air or back into a pan to repeat the first step (boiling).   After rinse/repeating, I
D. Somehow ingest what remains (gel or whatever?).

Is this process correct, and as simple as it sounds?





I know I"m asking a lot, so I want to thank you ahead of time for being willing to help a complete n00b learn.
(PS: This is what a friend-of-a-friend wanted me to post)