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You can reduce the experience to just chemicals if you like. However, what are the chemicals actually doing? Do they alter your perception of consentual reality or facilitate the perception of other dimensions. For now, this is for you to decide.

A couple of good books to check out are Graham Hancock's Supernatural and Dr. Rick Strassman's DMT: The Spirit Molecule. Both of these works purport that the brain is a reciever mechanism and that by altering it's chemistry, one retunes the reciever to tune in different dimensions.

Happy Trails,

Red

It's been almost 2 weeks since the "breakthrough" experience. What is commonly referred to as the afterglow lasted about 4 days. During this timeframe my mind was racing. Synchronicity became readily seen. I learned quite a bit from my experience. A teaching plant indeed! The blackout I experienced was just as critical to my growth as the "epiphany". COnversations I've had with people in the last few months came flooding back with new meaning and importance.

The downside was that I felt the need to share with all of my friends what I had experienced. I must have sounded a bit like a raving madman or "jesus freak" (but without the jesus part). It took me a while to realize that I needed to temper my enthusiasm and speak in a less impassioned voice.

I look forward to further Salvia experiences but am not quite ready for the next yet. I am learning to "let go" as much as possible in this "dimension" first. I believe this will allow me to further my learning and open up new and unimagined realms to my conciousness.

Red

Thanks for the tip on the video. I hadn't seen that and WOW, I really liked the A. Grey animation.

I saw Primus in 95. I actually had an extra ticket and traded it for a motorcycle. I was living up in Summit County being a snowboard bum. Good times and my last psychodelic experiences (prior to this weekend) were had there.

Thanks again,

Red

I saw the eyes but as a tunnel. I didn't pay them too much specific attention,but was definatley aware of their presence. Alex Grey's work is phantastic. I especially like the cover of Dr. Rick Strassman's book DMT: The Spirit Moleule. It features the tunnel of eyes and presumably one of th Dr.'s test subjects laying down.

As for Tool, I was listening to their most recent album Lateralus specifically Disposition and Reflection. Most of the lyrics on this album are just fascinating but for oour discussion here, I think Parabol and Parabola are most relevant. Thy lyrics can be found at: //http://toolshed.down.net/lyrics/latmaster.html
Interestingly, I am almost positive A. Grey did the internal album art for Lateralus. I've seen them twice on this last tour. Their performances were both phenominal. Let me first say that I generally don't enjoy a concert where every song sounds the same as on the album. That being said: they play a lot of intricate time signatures and fairly complex compositions which sounded EXACTLY as on their album. I was blown away. I wish I could see them at Red Rocks. The only show I saw there was Primus and Mike Watte (I think that's how his name is spelled) Primus was amazing of course and the show has subsequently been released as an album.

Red

Hyakitaki,

When I was younger, I danced on the frayed edge of sanityy. I managed to pull out and restructure my life. I now enjoy my life enriched with a family with two beautiful children and an extrodinary wife (who, as it turns out, helped save me from toppling off the edge.)

As with any psychodelic experience, one must be clear of intent of what one is seeking. However, I think that expectation of what an experience will hold can ruin an otherwise fulfilling experience. For example, had I gone into these trips in order to seek a goddess, surely that's what I would find as you might find the inner workings of your mind. On the other hand, when one enters the experience with an open mind, letting go of ego and any "anchors" to a percieved reality, perhaps only then can one enter the state of a truly deep experience. Unfortunately, I lack the verbosity (?) to communicate what it is that I felt and experienced. I can be sure however that it was real and every breath, grain of sand and molecule, known and unknown in our so called reality is a part of what I percieved.

By the way, I'm certainly not offended by agnosticism. And yes, my brain chemistry was certainly altered allowing me, I believe, to experience a different plane of being.

You may find the book Supernatural of interest. Authored byGraham Hancock it is an investigation into the roots of modern human conciousness and it's relation to the developement of spirituality and art. The link below will bring you to his site. The title is not yet published in the US, however, it can be purchased through amazon.ca


//http://www.grahamhancock.com/supernatural/

Red

In the early 90's I experimented quite frequently with LSD, mesc and mushrooms. Unfortunately, my set and setting were more often than not misaligned with the power of those substances. I knew that to have a chance with Sal. would require better focus on what I wanted to achieve.

I must say that I am blown away by what I experienced today. As for tangible visions, I remember a tunnel of eyes before I was embraced by the Goddess. At that point the love I felt exploded through all senses I had faculty over. Coming down was visually pleasant but "afterglow" was quite a trip as well. I smoked a pinch of cannibus and listened to my favorite band: Tool. I had never heard the songs in the context that I heard them today. I picked up a guitar (which I can't play) and managed to keep rhythm (normally I have no sense of rhythm) for the whole album. What a trip!

I found exactly what I was looking for and so much more! I feel I must meditate on what I have learned and figure out what questions I need  to ask next. Until I have figured this out, I most likely will not partake in the sacred Salvia.

thanks for adding to this thread and your continued dialogue,

Red

I used an extraction at around 1/20 gram.

I went back there  few minutes ago. All I can really express right now is that I have never before experienced a love so deep. Further than saying that I met the Goddess would be pointless as there are no words.

Red

Hey there,

Most call me Red. I had my first Salvia experience last night. I thik I smoked a bit too much. I pasted the body of an email I sent to a friend below:

"I can only explain a little of what happened. I lost between 20 and 35 minutes of time. I remember lying down after smoking with an intense feeling of travelling away. My only memory after that is "coming down" I heard a thought  telling me "this is what you wanted" or "this is what you asked for" and was adament  that I got what I was looking for. But, I projected back to the voice that "I didn't want this" or "this isn't what I asked for".  At that point, with the voices (not really voices, though. more like living thoughts) still in my mind, I came back to the room. The lighting was way too dark. I was very afraid of the darkness! I managed to get to the light switch. It was tough though, between the dark and the plant effects, my sense of spacial relations was all screwed up. During the coming down when I was afraid, I made a mental effort to get myself straight, thinking myself out of wherever or whatever state I was in. At that point I thought I was only "tripping" for a few seconds. Like I said before, I was gone for between 20 and 35minutes. I am still having a hard time processing that. Obviously, I took a bit too much. I'm quite alright now though, roughly 1.5hrs after smoking.

This plant deserves serious respect. I intend to investigate further but with a slightly reduced dosage. On Dan Siebert's experiencial scale, I believe I had number 6 which was definatley  not my intention. I had hoped for 4 or 5 but shot right past them. I'll adjust the dosage accordingly next time."

I think that when I was coming down or coming back, my ego had a hard time dealing with whatever I experienced which led to the fear and perhaps rejection of a kind of deep gnosis.

Just wondering what kind of insight others could offer into the nature of my experience. I must say that I am no more apprehensive about using Salvia again than I was for the first time. I feel that regardless of what kind of experience I have, good, bad or of  varying shades of gray, I must accept what has been shown to me. If I can't deal with the larger realities at hand, I may as well stick my head in the sand somewhere and stop learning and growth. I look forward to hearing what others have to say. Thank you.

Happy trails,

Red