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I read the nook post. I also dug around on Bluelight some more... just came up with the mass spec posted that was discussed over at edot. Its too bad that the images are not there anymore from moecat, I would have liked to have seen them.

The above quoted article found 2 major cmpds: Dmt and yuremamine. They didn't really say anything about trace components. The trace components could be ß-carbs. But, in trace quantities shouldn't really have much of an effect. Looking at that MS, the 130 peak could be a fragmented ß-carb, but I believe that  the 350 peak is a tad too big and the 205 peak is borderline depending on the ß-carb. As to the tetrahydro-ß-carbs... "mol. wt. of 216(M+) [Mass spec] with prominent peaks at 173 and 158" Frahn and O'Keefe "The occurrence of Tetrahydro-ß-caboline Alkaloids in Phalaris tuberosa (Gramineae) Aust. J. Chem. 24:2189.  So I think we can count that one out at least in Radio879's MS.

-D.

ß-Cabolines are not the only compounds that fluoresce. Most ring structures with single-double-single... bonds will fluoresce. Dmt will show a bit of fluorescence. I.E. a glow doesn't necessarily mean ß-Carbs.

The bluelight link is interesting, but not very usefull without without the images. The nook link didn't work for me. And the coraboree link does point to the fact that one cannot be certain as to the identity of the species commercially offered as well as the fact that we cannot forget about seasonal variability.

As to what the compounds in the commercially available MHRB are, what you get depends on the method of extraction. A standard A/B extraction like in the origial post will generate degradation compds due to the alkali conditions. Yurmamine breaks down under alkali conditions as well as when put through a Mass Spec. (Vepsäläinen, Jouko J.; Auriola, Seppo; Tukiainen, Mikko; Ropponen, Nina & Callaway, J.C. (2005). "Isolation and characterization of yuremamine, a new phytoindole". Planta Medica, 71: 1053-1057) This article also alludes to the fact that yuremamine flouresces (apparent from its structure). The degradation products from an A/B extraction could well fluoresce too.

A MeOH extraction using no acids or bases that has most of the tannins removed will show 2 cmps that fluoresce and 4 cmpds that visualize with xanthydrol (2 of which could be tannins). However, it doesn't show the degradation products of an A/B extraction. Preliminary plates of the extraction with the tannins is here: http://www.entheogen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6617 . As soon as I can get the plates photographed under UV light I will post them in the above thread. The degradation product does not show up with this extraction, it IS an artifact of the extraction process. This I believe is the ubiquitous 'Jungle DMT'; I prefer to call it YDP.

As for this YDP and Ayahuasca, the YDP would not be why M. hostilis is often refered to as a beast. Yurmamine is unstable in alkali conditions, and an Aya brew is always acidic. Yuremamine itself would be a good candidate for the responsible cmpd. It is still too early to know if yuremamine is active in and of itself.

-D.

For more information check here:

http://www.entheogen.com/forum/showthre ... #post47695

-D.

Actually It should be titled  "How to easily Extract DMT"

-D.

I'd have to say that nicotine definately enhances dreams. When I quit smoking using the patch, I would apply the patch at night before bed. For the first week I woke at least 5 times a night from the most vivid dreams I've ever had. They started to taper off after the first week, but I did look forward to those dreams for the first week. I don't condone the use of nicotine as it is a very habit forming substance, and I still smoke =(

-D.

I'd be interested in how your sox extractions went. I've done a few extractions a while back (for analytical reasons). A/B extractions, Manske extraction, various ethanol a/b for chlorophylious material. A little TLC as well, and plan on doing some more.

-D.

In regards to 5-HTP, I don't think that it passes the Blood Brian Barrier. If there are any effects from taking it would most likley be from the body creating a different compound with it (ie modifying it). Tryptophan does not pass the Blood Brain Barrier, however the body uses this as a building block to create among other things, tryptamine which will have an effect on you.

-D.

Here's an excerpt from The Entheogen Review Vol. XI #1:

"Johnny Appleseed speaks":

'What is the new Phalaris grass that you made available at the conference?'

'This is my newest release that I have been working on for the last few years. I call it "Big Medicine". This is a tall fast-growing Phalaris species that contains DMT. It also spreads by runners - a necessary characteristic I select for so that it can be spread by root cuttings, and thus bypass the genetic rearrangement that could result from relying on seed dissemination.'
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'Anyway, this new cultivar, "Big Medicine" is a Phalaris species that contains a fairly pure source of DMT. Dosage will have to be experimented with but I would expect it to be in the range of one pound of dried material per dose. The exact species is unknown because of my breeding procedure, which is to plant out many varieties and species of Phalaris and let them cross randomly, and then let climate and testing sort out the survivors. It will be available from Herbal Shaman and also from Allies.'

-D.

Stonehenge is right: B. caapi contains Harmala alkaloids [ß-Carbolines] (Harmine, Harmaline, tetrahydroharmine, etc.).  These potentiate a number of tryptmines: DMT, Psilocyn, etc. Thus using Caapi with Mushrooms increase the effects of the mushroom exponetially. I have never run across a study showing a mushroom to contain DMT (but doesn't mean one wont be discovered, its a fairly common compound).

-D.

P. Bachystachys is actually a different species of Phalaris:

"The species of Phalaris are broken up first into the perennial and annual species. Of the perennials, arundinacea is the only one with true rhyzomes. Other perennial species include P. californica and P. aquatica. The annual species found in the United States include: P. paradoxa, P. minor, P. brachystachys, P. canariensis, P. lemmoni, P. caroliniana and P. angusta (Agnes, 1971; )" - Taken from a paper I wrote in 99 (Not finished)

It's nice to see that there is still interest in this plant. It's also disheartening to see that there is still MUCH disinformation about this plant floaing around as well. I would Attach the whole paper, but alas, i don't see an attach function.

P. arundinacea is pervasive in the U.S. And has the most articles written about it (in the scientific literature) with P. aquatica coming in a close second. These were concentrated on as they tend to have the highest concentrations of alkaloids.

As far as various strains, I would be wary of anyone advertising seeds for high potency strains, as there are actually 3 genotypes found in genetic studies, and seeds would produce all 3 genotypes (G,M,T with T being the most desirable, and the least likey from seed).

Live cultivars taken from propigation would be the most desirable. And also those that have the most red coloration (showing oxidization of alkaloids, similar to MRB).

Hope this is of interest

-D.