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How so?  Perhaps you could elaborate a bit?

pinellas county florida.  We had no frost here for the last two winters, so this and the rivea and the caapi vines are going to town.

Hey, my hbwr vine has a lot of flowers now, and viable seeds were abundant last year.  Don't know how many I will end up with this time, but it won't be a long wait to find out.  As far as a trade, not sure what you have.  I'm brand new here, so will look around to see if you have posted about that.  I guess e. novo would top my want list. By the way, these hbwr are strong -  swim ate four and didn't get up off the couch for five hours...